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How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #3

I find that comforting. In fact, if I was a large organization and processed a ton of user data, I'd want to store that data anonymously too, due to the sheer risk of having that personal data.

And then you have users who always go to the same PF Changs but use navigation in case there is traffic and they should use an alternate route. Your competitor app will learn this and adapt and yours won't. The average customer will have no idea you aren't storing their data and likely doesn't even care while they aren't reading an article about privacy. While I personally wish everyone were to take your approach is also tying one arm behind your back.

Edit: I once worked with an ex-googler who told me to always store all the data you have because you never know what you can use it for, you can't get it back if you change your mind and storage is cheap. Hard to argue with this if it's "just" about competitive advantage and monetization.

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #4

I always question the effectiveness of obfuscating data using "unique identifiers" against a party determined to de-obfuscate the data. Aside from that, however, this is an encouraging read.

You may enjoy learning more about Differential Privacy. https://machinelearning.apple.com/2017/12/06/learning-with-p...

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #3

I find that comforting. In fact, if I was a large organization and processed a ton of user data, I'd want to store that data anonymously too, due to the sheer risk of having that personal data.

There might be logs somewhere that could be used to trace the original user.

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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Apple needs to create a dashboard exactly like the Google one.

Their agreement allows them to collect tons of data but there is no transparency on what they have and no ability to remove or download.

The Google one also has all your devices in one place with what apps and permissions you have granted. Exactly what I would like for my Apple devices.

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #7

Just pointing out the obvious: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The only eyeopening part would be the fact, that Apple doesn't store much about it's users, which isn't verifiable. Also unique identifiers are not the only way to link data. And due to differential privacy the guarantees that the data cannot be linked decays over time (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15224312 )

The question is motive. Apple's business model isn't predicated on having a lot of data on you. They have to keep a list of your purchase history for instance so you can redownload purchases. Also, why would they risk lying? What's in it for them?

I'm by no means implying any malfeasance. I fully agree with your thesis about Apple's business model.

Depending on your threat model in regards to your privacy the assurances made by Apple may be enough.

To me, it doesn't really matter. As long as I have no proof or control over how my data is being processed, it's better to just assume the worst case and practice data minimisation.

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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Apple needs to create a dashboard exactly like the Google one. Their agreement allows them to collect tons of data but there is no transparency on what they have and no ability to remove or download. The Google one also has all your devices in one place with what apps and permissions you have granted. Exactly what I would like for my Apple devices.

Ironically, complying with these asks would require more data to be pushed off the individual devices.

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #3

I find that comforting. In fact, if I was a large organization and processed a ton of user data, I'd want to store that data anonymously too, due to the sheer risk of having that personal data.

And then you have users who always go to the same PF Changs but use navigation in case there is traffic and they should use an alternate route. Your competitor app will learn this and adapt and yours won't. The average customer will have no idea you aren't storing their data and likely doesn't even care while they aren't reading an article about privacy. While I personally wish everyone were to take your approach is…

> And then you have users who always go to the same PF Changs but use navigation in case there is traffic and they should use an alternate route. Your competitor app will learn this and adapt and yours won't.

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise.

Once a user navigates to a specific PF Chang's from a specific location, the navigation app can suggest an alternate route that takes into account traffic, regardless of whether that user has a history or not.

In your scenario, the history of the user data would not affect the ability of the app to suggest routes that are less trafficked.

EDIT: change adverb in last sentence

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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Apple needs to create a dashboard exactly like the Google one. Their agreement allows them to collect tons of data but there is no transparency on what they have and no ability to remove or download. The Google one also has all your devices in one place with what apps and permissions you have granted. Exactly what I would like for my Apple devices.

Ironically, complying with these asks would require more data to be pushed off the individual devices.

Doesn't that already happen when you upgrade to a new device?

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #2

The title of this article is click-bait, surely? Apple have made much PR out of their privacy stance. Indeed, the article says: "Apple makes a big deal about its different approach to privacy on the company website". How is this eye opening?

For you maybe it isn’t

But you’re only one of 300 million in the states and 7 billion on the planet

And it’s USA Today, mainstream news. Maybe it’s not targeting someone with nothing better to do than memorize Apples policies

Re: How much does Apple know about me? The answer surprised me

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post #3

I find that comforting. In fact, if I was a large organization and processed a ton of user data, I'd want to store that data anonymously too, due to the sheer risk of having that personal data.

Doesn't this assume you don't use Siri for anything personal?
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