Not possible, that's before they've had most of their vaccinations. /s
It's not been conclusively proven that vaccinations can't go back in time to cause problems before they've been administered.
/s
EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
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Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#12EEG in 3mo infants is "poorly organized" even compared to 24mo child, so it I would take this one with a grain of salt.
In the Nature article they talk about using the combined analysis from multiple EEGs at different ages to increase accuracy.
Also this:
The accuracy of the HRA− outcome predictions was better at younger ages (3 to 9 months), then dipped in accuracy starting at 12 months.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#13Not possible, that's before they've had most of their vaccinations. /s
Please don't do this here.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#14Given that diagnosing Autism is hard and that all previous attempts at diagnosing it in a non-psychological way have failed this would be an extremely surprising result.
Call me skeptical until it's reproduced independently.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#15In this weird world that we live in this might actually help prevent a load of other deciders through increasing vaccination.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#16This would be amazing if it works.
The reason I say "if" and hedge my words is because the conventional wisdom is that autism is not a single disorder with a single underlying condition. It is a cluster of symptoms of varying intensity and it is (likely) caused by a host of underlying conditions.
Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms.
If that is right, then the first step is to break it down into different kinds of conditions. (No eye contact is caused by X. Speech issues are caused by Y).
However, if this test can effectively pick apart one of the underlying conditions and its symptoms that would be a huge step forward. We could definitively say whether a child has this particular version of "autism".
After we tease apart a few more versions, the original condition will disappear and be subsumed by these other versions.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#17This would be amazing if it works. The reason I say "if" and hedge my words is because the conventional wisdom is that autism is not a single disorder with a single underlying condition. It is a cluster of symptoms of varying intensity and it is (likely) caused by a host of underlying conditions. Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms. If that is right, then the first step is to bre…
> Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms.
Is there a precedent for this with other disorders? Seems to me that if there are no overlapping symptoms, it should be a separate disorder. Even if it's just arbitrary naming like "Type X" as in diabetes.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#18This would be amazing if it works. The reason I say "if" and hedge my words is because the conventional wisdom is that autism is not a single disorder with a single underlying condition. It is a cluster of symptoms of varying intensity and it is (likely) caused by a host of underlying conditions. Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms. If that is right, then the first step is to bre…
> Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms. Is there a precedent for this with other disorders? Seems to me that if there are no overlapping symptoms, it should be a separate disorder. Even if it's just arbitrary naming like "Type X" as in diabetes.
IBS, asthma, schizophrenia, ADHD, and the list goes on and on.
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#19This would be amazing if it works. The reason I say "if" and hedge my words is because the conventional wisdom is that autism is not a single disorder with a single underlying condition. It is a cluster of symptoms of varying intensity and it is (likely) caused by a host of underlying conditions. Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms. If that is right, then the first step is to bre…
> Two children diagnosed with the disorder can have no overlapping symptoms. Is there a precedent for this with other disorders? Seems to me that if there are no overlapping symptoms, it should be a separate disorder. Even if it's just arbitrary naming like "Type X" as in diabetes.
This might not be the most authoratative source, and I'm no medical expert, but this overview from Encyclopedia Britannica[1] nicely describes the diversity in how diseases are classified (I know we aren't using the term "disease" here but the concepts are presumably related in practice - I found this summary informative but welcome any informed corrections):
> The most widely used classifications of disease are (1) topographic, by bodily region or system, (2) anatomic, by organ or tissue, (3) physiological, by function or effect, (4) pathological, by the nature of the disease process, (5) etiologic (causal), (6) juristic, by speed of advent of death, (7) epidemiological, and (8) statistical. Any single disease may fall within several of these classifications.
[1] https://www.britannica.com/science/human-disease/Classificat...
Re: EEG Accurately Predicts Autism as Early as 3 Months of Age
#20In this weird world that we live in this might actually help prevent a load of other deciders through increasing vaccination.
That in turn causes other trouble.
People adjust for perceived risk. For example, seatbelts and airbags make people less careful when driving.
Vaccination makes people less careful about disease. There is no vaccine for enterovirus-68, which sometimes paralyses people. There is no vaccine for adenovirus-36, which is a cause of obesity. I could go on for a long time I think; lots of "harmless" viruses are turning out to cause serious problems. They can damage your heart, set off dementia, or give you cancer.
The only effective answer is avoidance. This requires learning and behavior modification, so it isn't too popular, but nothing else is as effective.