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The “unpatchable” exploit that makes every current Nintendo Switch hackable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just the surface, with personal politics and clashing personalities obscured. The scene is incredibly dramatic and childish.

The apex of the scene's pettiness has to be this http://wololo.net/2015/03/18/total-noobs-response-to-latest-... (tl;dr the custom firmware checks if a certain user is using it, if so it formats their memory card)

To be fair that is pretty funny. If you are going to spite someone...put some effort into it.

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Cool! It's too bad that the cracking scene seems so vain, though. This article presented three groups: * One which wants to sell 'jailbreak' kits to enable piracy, while keeping the details to themselves. * One which had planned a related disclosure window amongst the broader community for two days from now, and seems to feel somewhat vocally that this release is very similar to their work. * One which seems like the…

This has always been the case with homebrew/jailbreak scenes, from the PSP to the PS3/PS4, to iOS, etc. There will always be squabbles among the different people and groups involved with finding exploits or developing jailbreak/"hack" "kits". Following from that, there will also always be people who want to jailbreak only to pirate games and there will also be groups who want to disclose the exploits properly, or use…

These squabbles are as old as home computing.

Just check out the amount of name calling and whatsnot thats put into those cracktros that can be traced at least back to the C64.

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Cool! It's too bad that the cracking scene seems so vain, though. This article presented three groups: * One which wants to sell 'jailbreak' kits to enable piracy, while keeping the details to themselves. * One which had planned a related disclosure window amongst the broader community for two days from now, and seems to feel somewhat vocally that this release is very similar to their work. * One which seems like the…

This is just the surface, with personal politics and clashing personalities obscured. The scene is incredibly dramatic and childish.

The nice thing with the console hacking scene is that the people doing actual useful work and the people causing drama are mostly disjoint sets.

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Switch security is a joke and it's really bad for the players, it means that people can hack online games fairly easily. fyi Microsoft > Sony > Nintendo in term of console security. Edit: For people who down vote me do you work in security field or just down vote w/o knowledge?

People might be down voting you because "Microsoft > Sony > Nintendo" comes off as grandstanding. As someone in the "security field", you must be aware that poor communication can tarnish otherwise correct information.

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This doesn't sound like it itself "exploits" anything, just deflates Nintendo's attempted scheme to exploit their customers by booby trapping their hardware. If you rigged your car to destruct 30 minutes after it went out of cell service, sold it to an unsuspecting buyer, and then laughed when they got stuck in the desert, you'd be rightfully thrown in jail. But yet these companies keep attempting to pull the same sh…

Well it’s your choice, open hardware or billions of dollars invested in an industry employing millions of people...

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Cool! It's too bad that the cracking scene seems so vain, though. This article presented three groups: * One which wants to sell 'jailbreak' kits to enable piracy, while keeping the details to themselves. * One which had planned a related disclosure window amongst the broader community for two days from now, and seems to feel somewhat vocally that this release is very similar to their work. * One which seems like the…

This has always been the case with homebrew/jailbreak scenes, from the PSP to the PS3/PS4, to iOS, etc. There will always be squabbles among the different people and groups involved with finding exploits or developing jailbreak/"hack" "kits". Following from that, there will also always be people who want to jailbreak only to pirate games and there will also be groups who want to disclose the exploits properly, or use…

For example, in the ps3 scene:

Someone developed a exploit, packaged it in usb stick, called it the PSJailbreak, planning to sell it to as a piracy orientated tool. They sent out a few review copies to prove it worked.

One of the reviews obtained a USB trace of the exploit in action, passing it along to a few members of the homebrew scene. The homebrew scene recreated this exploit with an open source implementation (but with the ability to pirate games pirate games superficially patched out) beating the original PSJailbreak to market.

The homebrew scene then set upon developing an open source homebrew devkit.

Many manufactures released their own clone devices of the exploit, the timeframe susgests that they were also working from copies of the PSJailbreak.

It was the homebrew scene who later decimated the PS3 chain of trust, to develop installable modded firmware.

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This doesn't sound like it itself "exploits" anything, just deflates Nintendo's attempted scheme to exploit their customers by booby trapping their hardware. If you rigged your car to destruct 30 minutes after it went out of cell service, sold it to an unsuspecting buyer, and then laughed when they got stuck in the desert, you'd be rightfully thrown in jail. But yet these companies keep attempting to pull the same sh…

Well it’s your choice, open hardware or billions of dollars invested in an industry employing millions of people...

False dichotomy.

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I believe this has been known for a while, even though it's just now been "made public" as far as the press is concerned. In the meantime, disassembly of OS updates for the Switch imply that they're adding support for a newer version of the Tegra processor, which many speculate to be a silent hardware upgrade on new systems to boost security, not for a new model with speed upgrades.

Yep! Looks like the silent hardware upgrade happened in v5.0.0 of the OS.

Here's a youtube video published March 13th talking about it: https://youtu.be/ZzsbDGDwg1U?t=5m17s

And here's a related reddit discussion on the nintendo switch subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/8588c1/50_w....

Re: The “unpatchable” exploit that makes every current Nintendo Switch hackable

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This doesn't sound like it itself "exploits" anything, just deflates Nintendo's attempted scheme to exploit their customers by booby trapping their hardware. If you rigged your car to destruct 30 minutes after it went out of cell service, sold it to an unsuspecting buyer, and then laughed when they got stuck in the desert, you'd be rightfully thrown in jail. But yet these companies keep attempting to pull the same sh…

It’s half and half. This scheme defeats Nintendo’s attempt to control what console owners do with their own hardware, it’s true. But it also allows console owners to be exploited by malicious hardware (say, a cheap charger).
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