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Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

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Post by abalone »

CryoLogic wrote: post #8
abalone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? I’m sure you’re first to comment about the inherent sexism in 90% male engineering leadership teams. Companies that focus on seeking out qualified talent from underrepresented groups have a competitive advantage, by exploiting the inherent prejudice in their competitors to access an undervalued talent pool. This in turn attracts even overrepresented talent that is motivated to work for teams with these pri…

He has a point if just by the math. I get it you want to support women, but many companies do discriminate against perfectly qualified men in order to get that. There is a far smaller supply of qualified women in engineering and engineering leadership right now. I've been on a team before where one member was adamant about throwing out resumes from white men for the sake of diversity. I know it happens. So yes, the c…

You offer no evidence, only unsourced anecdotes. Reaching out to underrepresented groups is not the same as discriminating against massively overrepresented groups. How likely are women to apply to organizations that reflect status quo sexist attitudes? A reputation for fairness can act as a beacon for undervalued talent.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

CryoLogic wrote: post #8
abalone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? I’m sure you’re first to comment about the inherent sexism in 90% male engineering leadership teams. Companies that focus on seeking out qualified talent from underrepresented groups have a competitive advantage, by exploiting the inherent prejudice in their competitors to access an undervalued talent pool. This in turn attracts even overrepresented talent that is motivated to work for teams with these pri…

He has a point if just by the math. I get it you want to support women, but many companies do discriminate against perfectly qualified men in order to get that. There is a far smaller supply of qualified women in engineering and engineering leadership right now. I've been on a team before where one member was adamant about throwing out resumes from white men for the sake of diversity. I know it happens. So yes, the c…

It’s really disappointing to see organistions legitimize discrimination in their efforts to support diversity for the PR/talent acquisition signaling. Actively discriminating against white men is no different than discriminating against other races and genders.

I too have seen what you’ve described take place.

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Post by annexrichmond »

abalone wrote: post #10
annexrichmond wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm just not one to declare inherent sexism if it's less than 50%

But you do if it’s 50%, the actual population distribution. Yeah, not a sexist standard at all.

75% of teachers are women; 84% of nurses are women; 82% of vets are women; 90% of landscapers are men; 88% of truckers are men; 88% of miners are men; 97% of loggers are men;

48% of newspaper publishers are women; 42% of pharmacists are women; 47% of real estate agents are women;

27% of "Computer systems design and related services" are women

Okay, so CS-related jobs clearly are far from the worse in terms of gender ratio. Don't hear much about inherent sexism in other industries. I'm not convinced that this industry is inherently more or less sexist than others, which is why I included some jobs where it's actually close to 50%.

Also, you can't just compare to the general population, because you simply aren't hiring from the general population, as you are hiring people with a specific skillset. That is why many low skilled jobs that aren't labor-intensive are close to 50%

Statistics are from: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18.htm

edit: formatting and grammar

Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

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Post by clay_the_ripper »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #12
CryoLogic wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has a point if just by the math. I get it you want to support women, but many companies do discriminate against perfectly qualified men in order to get that. There is a far smaller supply of qualified women in engineering and engineering leadership right now. I've been on a team before where one member was adamant about throwing out resumes from white men for the sake of diversity. I know it happens. So yes, the c…

It’s really disappointing to see organistions legitimize discrimination in their efforts to support diversity for the PR/talent acquisition signaling. Actively discriminating against white men is no different than discriminating against other races and genders. I too have seen what you’ve described take place.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with employment law. Specifically the idea of a protected class:

Protected Class: The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class, and is entitled to the benefits of EEO law. However, the EEO laws were passed to correct a history of unfavorable treatment of women and minority group members.

https://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html

The idea that men are being discriminated against is a farce.

Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

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Post by abalone »

annexrichmond wrote: post #9
maybeiambatman wrote: post #6

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You don't have to be sexist to attract women in leadership. Women engineers aren't rare by absolute numbers, but rare as a % portion of total engineering leaders. If they promise and deliver on a culture where women in leadership can thrive and attempt to recruit smart women, then more women will join. Success breeds success.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Having trouble reconciling it with my reasoning though, which is: if some group of people are overrepresented in some category, it is less likely to be a coincidence; i.e., I doubt it's because the people there are just less sexist than everyone else

> if some group of people are overrepresented in some category, it is less likely to be a coincidence; i.e., I doubt it's because the people there are just less sexist

You have simply defined “overrepresentation” in a sexist manner (50% women).

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Post by [deleted] »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #14
toomuchtodo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really disappointing to see organistions legitimize discrimination in their efforts to support diversity for the PR/talent acquisition signaling. Actively discriminating against white men is no different than discriminating against other races and genders. I too have seen what you’ve described take place.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with employment law. Specifically the idea of a protected class: Protected Class: The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some p…

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Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

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Post by abalone »

annexrichmond wrote: post #13
abalone wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you do if it’s 50%, the actual population distribution. Yeah, not a sexist standard at all.

75% of teachers are women; 84% of nurses are women; 82% of vets are women; 90% of landscapers are men; 88% of truckers are men; 88% of miners are men; 97% of loggers are men; 48% of newspaper publishers are women; 42% of pharmacists are women; 47% of real estate agents are women; 27% of "Computer systems design and related services" are women Okay, so CS-related jobs clearly are far from the worse in terms of gender…

> 75% of teachers are women; 84% of nurses are women...

> Don't hear much about inherent sexism in other industries.

You should listen more.[1][2]

[1] https://sites.psu.edu/civic/2017/02/14/gender-discrimination...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/sunday-review/why-dont-mo...

Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

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Post by venning »

Back of the envelope guesses for my own satisfaction:

">$100MM yearly" is, let's say, $8.5MM monthly.

">10,000 customers" is That's around $650-$750 per customer per month.

"Hundreds of thousands of active users" means maybe 250,000-400,000.

That's 20-35 users per customer, when split between 11,000-13,000 customers.

That comes out to $21-$34 per user per customer per month, average (you can see pricing tiers here: https://www.pagerduty.com/pricing/).

(I don't know if they make money off contracts not available on their pricing page.)

Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

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Post by annexrichmond »

abalone wrote: post #15
annexrichmond wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Having trouble reconciling it with my reasoning though, which is: if some group of people are overrepresented in some category, it is less likely to be a coincidence; i.e., I doubt it's because the people there are just less sexist than everyone else

> if some group of people are overrepresented in some category, it is less likely to be a coincidence; i.e., I doubt it's because the people there are just less sexist You have simply defined “overrepresentation” in a sexist manner (50% women).

overrepresented given some pool.

Do you have data that suggests said pool is 50%, instead of replying to all my comments and calling me sexist?

Re: PagerDuty (YC S10) now at $100M in ARR

#20

Post by annexrichmond »

abalone wrote: post #17
annexrichmond wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

75% of teachers are women; 84% of nurses are women; 82% of vets are women; 90% of landscapers are men; 88% of truckers are men; 88% of miners are men; 97% of loggers are men; 48% of newspaper publishers are women; 42% of pharmacists are women; 47% of real estate agents are women; 27% of "Computer systems design and related services" are women Okay, so CS-related jobs clearly are far from the worse in terms of gender…

> 75% of teachers are women; 84% of nurses are women... > Don't hear much about inherent sexism in other industries. You should listen more.[1][2] [1] https://sites.psu.edu/civic/2017/02/14/gender-discrimination... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/sunday-review/why-dont-mo...

glad you brought those up. Sexism can indeed happen anywhere. No one is saying it doesn't happen (I hope)

However it's not conclusive whether sexism towards men or sexism towards women has made the ratios the way they are. Surely it's some factor, but how much?

Many professions that used to be nearly 100% male are now more than 50% women, while some that used to be nearly 100% has stayed well below 50% women. Why is that? Sexism doesn't explain it for me because that implies people in some professions are inherently more sexist than others and I'm not convinced of that

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