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Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by Karupan »

dbsvsv wrote: post #6
tcbawo wrote: post #3

Is there anything sadder or creepier than an hourglass with a swastika on it? What a horrible time for humanity.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

As a Hindu, this saddens me as well. Even though I’m not religious, it was a symbol of prosperity. I sometimes wonder how centuries of history can be appropriated and misrepresented by one bad actor.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by paloaltokid »

paulie_a wrote: post #9
dbsvsv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Sorry, but to the western world it is a symbol of genocide and a dark time in history, it will never be reclaimed. No one cares about the previous history of the symbol, it is forever tarnished.

I respectfully disagree. I had family members killed by the Nazis and I care about the swastika being reclaimed, at least in the sense that it should be common knowledge that it was a misappropriated religious symbol. For some folks, the understanding stops at “swastika = Nazi”.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

dbsvsv wrote: post #6
tcbawo wrote: post #3

Is there anything sadder or creepier than an hourglass with a swastika on it? What a horrible time for humanity.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Aren't Buddhists supposed to advocate non attachment?

Why not just let your attachment to that symbol go, and create a new and better one that symbolizes your values?

I want to end hate. And I end my comments with this. }=^={

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by domevent »

jstarfish wrote: post #8
dbsvsv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

A few million people died under that misappropriated symbol though. It sucks you can't use it for its intended message anymore, but most peoples' sympathies lie elsewhere.

A few times a few at least, and that’s only counting extermination in the KZ’s and VZ’s. If you consider the total casualties of the war, including combat deaths (even German) and civilian casualties outside of the camps, it’s more in the realm of 50-80 million. Subtract 3-5 million for the Pacific theater, and it’s still a lot.

It also doesn’t help that neo-Nazis work today under the same banner.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #13
dbsvsv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Aren't Buddhists supposed to advocate non attachment? Why not just let your attachment to that symbol go, and create a new and better one that symbolizes your values? I want to end hate. And I end my comments with this. }=^={

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Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by paloaltokid »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #13
dbsvsv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Aren't Buddhists supposed to advocate non attachment? Why not just let your attachment to that symbol go, and create a new and better one that symbolizes your values? I want to end hate. And I end my comments with this. }=^={

I am a practicing Buddhist and have been for more than a decade. This is complete and utter bullshit and a total misunderstanding of the teaching.

You can be detached and still saddened by what you see in the world. Non attachment is not the same as callousness or numbness. If anything, you feel things more deeply.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by dbsvsv »

paulie_a wrote: post #9
dbsvsv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Sorry, but to the western world it is a symbol of genocide and a dark time in history, it will never be reclaimed. No one cares about the previous history of the symbol, it is forever tarnished.

By your argument people whose families were killed in religious jihads should forever hate Muslims.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by forapurpose »

dbsvsv wrote: post #6
tcbawo wrote: post #3

Is there anything sadder or creepier than an hourglass with a swastika on it? What a horrible time for humanity.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

What a bullshit excuse to post a swastika on HN, and an attempt to rehabilitate and normalize the symbols of Nazism. The haters always find a way around the rules. The problem with Nazism obviously isn't the loss of this symbol; that's not what needs addressing.

If you read the strategies of the White Christian supremacists, they say not to make statements that others find outrageous but to gently push the envelope and slowly normalize their beliefs. Here, as I said, they are trying to rehabilitate Nazi symbology.

EDIT: In response to below, the problem with Nazism is people like me? Wow. I thought the problem was mass murder, brutal oppression, and an ideology that advocates it. But perhaps it's the poor, persecuted Neo-Nazis, who in another by-the-book rhetorical turn, try to look like victims.

EDIT2: dang: Sure, and let's keep the swastikas off HN. That and the hate speech are the real problems with very serious consequences. When you don't do anything about it, it would be irresponsible for me (or anyone) to stand by and quietly acquiesce. I know it's a hard problem, but burying our heads in the sand is what Facebook does. If you think my claims about what's happening are absurd, talk to someone you trust who knows these things: Certainly in 2018, we can't think propaganda in online forums is at all an absurd prospect.

EDIT3: Perhaps I could have found a cooler way to respond, but it's a pretty inflammatory thing and the commenter, supposedly versed in symbology, knew that it would be. Sorry if I caused any extra headache, but I don't regret pointing out the problem.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Post by drharby »

paulie_a wrote: post #9
dbsvsv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Sorry, but to the western world it is a symbol of genocide and a dark time in history, it will never be reclaimed. No one cares about the previous history of the symbol, it is forever tarnished.

That is a bloody opinion
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