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Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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In b4 "Men's Rights"... One thesis you could take is that the US, with the largest incarcerated population in the history of the world , could stand to be a little bit less harsh in their sentencing. http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-popula...

Men’s rights are human rights. There’s no reason that in areas where men fare worse we should not have its gendered nature pointed out.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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Accepting what the submission implies at face value[1]: Even if you lighten sentences on men, it doesn't change that courts favor women. When men are pitted against women in court, such as divorce proceedings, the root problem will remain.

[1]If you disagree with the notion that courts favor women, and you flag me instead of the article, you're doing it wrong. I'm pointing out flaws in submission's logic, not arguing whether or not it is correct.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #13

Accepting what the submission implies at face value[1]: Even if you lighten sentences on men, it doesn't change that courts favor women. When men are pitted against women in court, such as divorce proceedings, the root problem will remain. [1]If you disagree with the notion that courts favor women, and you flag me instead of the article, you're doing it wrong. I'm pointing out flaws in submission's logic, not arguing…

Demanding perfection instead of progress is wasteful.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #13

Accepting what the submission implies at face value[1]: Even if you lighten sentences on men, it doesn't change that courts favor women. When men are pitted against women in court, such as divorce proceedings, the root problem will remain. [1]If you disagree with the notion that courts favor women, and you flag me instead of the article, you're doing it wrong. I'm pointing out flaws in submission's logic, not arguing…

I’ll hold off on votes or flagging, while I wait for some evidence commensurate to your claim that courts favor women. Is that acceptable?

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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I don't normally complain about submissions but I believe that this is inappropriate/off topic for HN

Please provide reasoning as to why if you are going to claim that this article is not appropriate for HN. I did not see anything in it that would be a red flag.

It's pure politics.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #3

This will go the way of many of the other articles highlighting the overcorrection of “gender fairness” and will be off the front page by tomorrow (figuratively. Literally, it will never even make it there) . Shame really. Too bad, if it was inline with a feminist agenda it would have had a chance.

The male/female sentencing gap isn’t an “overcorrection” because it has always existed. In the UK for at least 500 years.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #13

Accepting what the submission implies at face value[1]: Even if you lighten sentences on men, it doesn't change that courts favor women. When men are pitted against women in court, such as divorce proceedings, the root problem will remain. [1]If you disagree with the notion that courts favor women, and you flag me instead of the article, you're doing it wrong. I'm pointing out flaws in submission's logic, not arguing…

Well short of gutting the entire "common law" system and switching an entire legal system over to codified law it seems difficult to address the root issue.

Also, this is specifically talking about sentencing which therefor relates to criminal law. You want to get into a myriad of issues relating to Civil law and it's flaws, that's a whole other can of worms.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #3

This will go the way of many of the other articles highlighting the overcorrection of “gender fairness” and will be off the front page by tomorrow (figuratively. Literally, it will never even make it there) . Shame really. Too bad, if it was inline with a feminist agenda it would have had a chance.

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Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #12
post #9

In b4 "Men's Rights"... One thesis you could take is that the US, with the largest incarcerated population in the history of the world , could stand to be a little bit less harsh in their sentencing. http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-popula...

Men’s rights are human rights. There’s no reason that in areas where men fare worse we should not have its gendered nature pointed out.

Oh sure, but if we're going to get at the big problems in the US criminal justice system, I think there's dozens of broad, general problems (living conditions, privatization of a "public good" service, general focus on punishment vs behavioral reform, etc) that would do better at addressing the issues for the most people involved.

Also, as I was previously trying to state, I feel that we should address this issue by generally changing/lowering sentences. If we can be compassionate towards woman convicts, why not men?

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