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MarsOne definitely introduced the concept of colonizing Mars to a wider audience. For that, I think, they get far less credit than they deserve.
And more importantly, I think you are forgetting Robert Zubrin and Mars Direct:
MarsOne definitely introduced the concept of colonizing Mars to a wider audience. For that, I think, they get far less credit than they deserve.
No, no it didn’t. For one, this is the first time I’ve heard of it. And more importantly, I think you are forgetting Robert Zubrin and Mars Direct: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zubrin
Even the Chinese government called Mars One to be a scam [1], and advised their citizens to avoid the organization. So when you've got China calling you out to be a fraud, then you must definitely be doing something wrong, in order for them to bother issuing a public statement like that. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/24/chinese_papers_bran...
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No, no it didn’t. For one, this is the first time I’ve heard of it. And more importantly, I think you are forgetting Robert Zubrin and Mars Direct: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zubrin
"I didn't know about it therefore nobody did"
They are as likely to go to Mars as Elon musk so at least they are in rare company
Comparing Mars One to SpaceX is basically like comparing a hobbyist rocketry forum to an actual rocket manufacturer.
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"I didn't know about it therefore nobody did"
And your retort to the “more importantly” part?
There's definitely some bad with MarsOne, maybe it's mostly bad. But saying it's all bad is simplistic and ignorant of how public awareness is raised.
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And your retort to the “more importantly” part?
Popularising an idea isn't accomplished 100% by the first person who tries. I love the Mars Direct plan and I even travelled to see Zubrin at a Mars Society convention, but the man is absolutely shit at PR. There's definitely some bad with MarsOne, maybe it's mostly bad. But saying it's all bad is simplistic and ignorant of how public awareness is raised.
But I’ve never heard them talk about Mars One. Which makes me believe there’s a bubble and I’m not the one inside of it.
Even the Chinese government called Mars One to be a scam [1], and advised their citizens to avoid the organization. So when you've got China calling you out to be a fraud, then you must definitely be doing something wrong, in order for them to bother issuing a public statement like that. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/24/chinese_papers_bran...
EVEN the Chinese government? You say that like they're in business of scamming people. And honestly reading the original Chinese articles it doesn't look like an official government position or anything. It's just a newspaper that happens to be owned by the ruling party posting an article on things happening in the west.
And since the Chinese government has large stakes or outright ownership of those businesses, they are culpable in massive worldwide product scams. (I really don't think I need to link the news articles for this it's so pervasive).
They are as likely to go to Mars as Elon musk so at least they are in rare company
While I've left your comment unvoted-upon, the downvotes are justified, in my view.
That said, I think Musk's optimism about Mars is pretty unjustified, but for reasons unrelated to launch vehicle technology, reasons that are shared by Mars One. The main reason is that we simply do not know how to sustain human life, in the long term, in less than 1 Earth gravity without deleterious effects, including the possible cessation of reproduction. This is to say nothing of the lower light levels on Mars, the rigors of designing CELSSs, the psychology of performing while never being able to go outside again (or possibly even never being able to return to Earth due to bone loss), and so on.
Musk has even said that the trip to Mars will be "fun" because you'll get to throw a ball around and play games in zero-g. He betrays a lack of serious engagement with the challenges of human spaceflight, to say nothing of the ongoing challenges of living on Mars. He understands the romance of gritting your teeth and eking out a living in a space Western, but not the realities of it. Mars One seems to share similar problems of vision.
Eventually, I think that, among other possibilities, either grown-ups will step in with regulation, or the grown-ups will stay away in droves from either project.