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Yes you consented, but it's not an informed consent. Facebook will do anything to keep you as uninformed as possible (unreadable legalese, dark UX patterns, opt-outs, ...)
Everybody has known for years that Facebook uses this data against you to make money. If it didn't upset you before why would it suddenly upset you now?
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I never cared about Facebook using data collected from their platforms, but the whole "Collecting phone data because you agreed to the very wide permission system implemented in Android systems", is a bit sketchy.
Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't deliberately agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.
It’s dark UX and the terrible Amdroid permissions system that tricked them into it.
Yes you consented, but it's not an informed consent. Facebook will do anything to keep you as uninformed as possible (unreadable legalese, dark UX patterns, opt-outs, ...)
So many excuses. The story "Of course I agreed, but its all their fault because I didn't know what I agreed to" gets old. Everybody has known for years that Facebook uses this data against you to make money. If it didn't upset you before why would it suddenly upset you now?
I just don't feel like it's fair to say everybody has known for years. Maybe in your circle, but certainly not in every ones.
Yes you consented, but it's not an informed consent. Facebook will do anything to keep you as uninformed as possible (unreadable legalese, dark UX patterns, opt-outs, ...)
So many excuses. The story "Of course I agreed, but its all their fault because I didn't know what I agreed to" gets old. Everybody has known for years that Facebook uses this data against you to make money. If it didn't upset you before why would it suddenly upset you now?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't deliberately agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.
No user, even if they read the TOS, believed they were opting into perpetual call and SMS logging. It’s dark UX and the terrible Amdroid permissions system that tricked them into it.
Dark UX suggests a control designed to trick you into making a decision you would deliberate otherwise not make. I looked at their opt-in control and it is very clear that you have to opt-in.
In other words, if you didn't want Facebook to have all your call and SMS data then why would you deliberately agree to give it to Facebook with their very obvious consent form?
Any claim of theirs that I "consented" to them building, using and profiting by my foibles, relationships and habits is false. Not merely disingenuous; an outright lie.
Yes you consented, but it's not an informed consent. Facebook will do anything to keep you as uninformed as possible (unreadable legalese, dark UX patterns, opt-outs, ...)
So many excuses. The story "Of course I agreed, but its all their fault because I didn't know what I agreed to" gets old. Everybody has known for years that Facebook uses this data against you to make money. If it didn't upset you before why would it suddenly upset you now?
I suspect most people on HN are aware of how naive much of the public are about the implications of technology.
Yes you consented, but it's not an informed consent. Facebook will do anything to keep you as uninformed as possible (unreadable legalese, dark UX patterns, opt-outs, ...)
Of course, some of the blame for that belongs with Google, for failing to accurately describe the permissions being given to apps.