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Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by montyf »

bringtheaction wrote: post #10
justinmk wrote: post #8

The project README.md doesn't do justice to the improvements that Oni has been pumping out. Some new stuff in the unreleased/development version (hidden behind feature-flags): * Keyboard-driven navigation of embedded web browser: https://twitter.com/oni_vim/status/977280220234268673 * Live reload with embedded browser: https://twitter.com/oni_vim/status/976502172891299840 However personally I just love the scrollbar:…

The kinds of things in your comment are the kind of things that make me consider actually installing Oni rather than just going "oh neat, people are making Neovim frontends" like I did when I first saw this post. The only thing that makes me hesitate is because I run FreeBSD on some of my computers and FreeBSD support wasn't quite there yet for Electron apps last I checked. It may have changed in the meantime. If I w…

I liked the irony in this post, considering that the main draw of Electron apps is that they are supposed to be cross-platform. (To be fair though, FreeBSD is pretty niche.)

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by bla2 »

justinmk wrote: post #8

The project README.md doesn't do justice to the improvements that Oni has been pumping out. Some new stuff in the unreleased/development version (hidden behind feature-flags): * Keyboard-driven navigation of embedded web browser: https://twitter.com/oni_vim/status/977280220234268673 * Live reload with embedded browser: https://twitter.com/oni_vim/status/976502172891299840 However personally I just love the scrollbar:…

MacVim or gvim is still a regular native app without a js vm and a web enviroment. It's less minimal then terminal vim, but way more minimal than electron.

I don't mind electron myself, but that ps sounds fairly disingenuous to me.

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by bsmith89 »

bla2 wrote: post #14

This looks really cool. I tried it on my macbook, and for some reason I can't keep 'j' pressed to scroll down - I have to press it once per row. This works fine in MacVim and Terminal.app vim. Does anyone know why this won't work?

The Mac install guide [1] references needing the following in order to use "PressAndHold".

> To enable key repeat when pressing & holding a key in Oni, write the following in your terminal:

    defaults write com.extropy.oni ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false
[1]: https://github.com/onivim/oni/wiki/Installation-Guide#mac

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by pault »

chc4 wrote: post #4

It says it's powered by React and (presumable) Electron - does it have the same kind of issues that Atom does? Can it open big files, how responsive is it, etc. How do plugins work? Do neovim plugins work out of the box with Oni, do you have to write a wrapper, or are they completely incompatible? This is really the make or break part of it.

By default it doesn't load your init.vim, but if you change that flag in the config it will behave exactly like your regular neovim install (since that is in fact exactly what it is: a very light canvas renderer wrapped around neovim). I have been using it for a couple of weeks with all of my vim plugins with no issues (ctrl-p, buffer gator, easy motion, etc).

Edit: it's worth pointing out that while the rendering is done with electron/canvas, everything else is delegated to neovim. I haven't noticed any slowdown with 1000+ line files, but if you're talking tens of thousands... maybe.

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by tambourine_man »

justinmk wrote: post #8

The project README.md doesn't do justice to the improvements that Oni has been pumping out. Some new stuff in the unreleased/development version (hidden behind feature-flags): * Keyboard-driven navigation of embedded web browser: https://twitter.com/oni_vim/status/977280220234268673 * Live reload with embedded browser: https://twitter.com/oni_vim/status/976502172891299840 However personally I just love the scrollbar:…

Native Mac apps can be crazy fast. Haven’t seen a reasonably fast Electron app yet. Plus you lose wonderful native Cocoa text features, such spelling, dictionary, undo, etc.

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

#18

Post by pault »

I've been using Oni for the last few weeks as my daily driver (I liked it so much I signed up as a monthly sponsor), and here's my take on it:

It's a fairly new project, but it's under _very_ active development. There's an excellent community building around it and I think we will be seeing some really great progress over the next year. That said, it isn't anywhere close to feature parity with vscode, but the value proposition is: neovim, with vscode compatible snippets and typescript-language-server-driven autocomplete (also works with vanilla JS) out of the box. AFAIK it works with any language language server with a few lines of configuration. I have tried several times to get You Complete Me working to my satisfaction and never quite got there despite spending several weekends working on it. Oni just works.

The bonus value proposition is: since it is a GUI wrapper around neovim, you get to retain all of the muscle memory you have built up in your years of using vim, but potentially also get all of the goodies that a graphical IDE like vscode provides. I have tried the vscode vim extensions, and they are really impressive, but they are still limited by the vscode extension api and at the end of the day it's not a real vim. For me, it was just not-vimish enough to constantly interrupt my flow; I believe the original inspiration for Oni was the creator's frustrations with vscode vim extensions.

I have been digging into the development process and I've been _really_ impressed with how brilliant and industrious the main contributors are; features are getting added at a breakneck pace. A few things that are in the works: real-time browser pane with auto-refresh (I just tried out the browser feature and it works like it's just another vim buffer... pretty awesome stuff!), markdown preview, and a gamified tutor mode for newbies.

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by 1k2ka »

montyf wrote: post #11
bringtheaction wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kinds of things in your comment are the kind of things that make me consider actually installing Oni rather than just going "oh neat, people are making Neovim frontends" like I did when I first saw this post. The only thing that makes me hesitate is because I run FreeBSD on some of my computers and FreeBSD support wasn't quite there yet for Electron apps last I checked. It may have changed in the meantime. If I w…

I liked the irony in this post, considering that the main draw of Electron apps is that they are supposed to be cross-platform. (To be fair though, FreeBSD is pretty niche.)

I don't consider any framework cross-platform unless it also targets TempleOS.

Re: Oni: Modern Modal Editing – Powered by Neovim

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Post by oblio »

pault wrote: post #18

I've been using Oni for the last few weeks as my daily driver (I liked it so much I signed up as a monthly sponsor), and here's my take on it: It's a fairly new project, but it's under _very_ active development. There's an excellent community building around it and I think we will be seeing some really great progress over the next year. That said, it isn't anywhere close to feature parity with vscode, but the value p…

Interesting. I'm a vim/gvim user myself, outside of IDEs, but I've been trying VS Code recently.

For some of the stuff I do right now it's not as convenient or stylish as tmux + vim (don't laugh about the stylish part - for example I like a minimalist look and I tend to remove all toolbar and VS Code can't do that; well, it can, in Zen mode, but that's also full screen only, sets some other options I don't want, etc.).

For the convenience part, I'd want proper window splits, both horizontal and vertical at the same time and I'd want the panels and windows to become sort of interchangeable. I.e. you'd have 1 universal kind of pane which could host a terminal or a editing window or a problem panel or whatever.

If this is stable enough it might be just what I was looking for :)

Is this based on the VS Code code base? They'd be getting a ton of high quality UI code for free, IMO.

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