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Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

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Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

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Post by jsilence »

jopsen wrote: post #6
zebra9978 wrote: post #2

Twitter users are up in arms because of the decision to retire production systems with a 2 months notice - https://twitter.com/thomashermine/status/976398123215065088 https://twitter.com/garethdiz/status/976188140670017536 https://twitter.com/LenioLabsLLC/status/976201790482915328

It certainly makes me rethink if docker services should be relied on in production. Migrating off docker cloud will be a pain, but the service was already a pain to use, so maybe it's about time anyways. But imagine being given 2 months to migrate off docker hub for image storage. Panic would ensue :)

I understand that having to abandon ship sucks, but wasn't the whole point of containers that they can be migrated easily? heck, the whole concept got its name from that idea. So why the fuss?

edit: typos

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

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Post by holydude »

I always chuckle when people put so much trust in "startup" companies. It's the same like believing in IBM not trying to screw you over.

There's a reason why people and businesses hate vendor lock ins. There's a reason why we do not want AWS to reign supreme for long.

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

#14

Post by est »

zebra9978 wrote: post #2

Twitter users are up in arms because of the decision to retire production systems with a 2 months notice - https://twitter.com/thomashermine/status/976398123215065088 https://twitter.com/garethdiz/status/976188140670017536 https://twitter.com/LenioLabsLLC/status/976201790482915328

but why?

The whole point of containers is that they are ephemeral and can be booted up quickly anywhere because you statically link the whole fucking OS?

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

#15

Post by est »

sidi wrote: post #10
krispbyte wrote: post #9

Wasn't the whole point of docker containers that deploys and migrations are a breeze?

Docker cloud offered CI/CD integrations and management features similar to K8S that were proprietary to them. While Docker images themselves are portable, this is a whole different beast.

in other words, for the micro-service world, you don't have the monolith, the whole stack is the monolith?

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

#16

Post by foepys »

est wrote: post #14
zebra9978 wrote: post #2

Twitter users are up in arms because of the decision to retire production systems with a 2 months notice - https://twitter.com/thomashermine/status/976398123215065088 https://twitter.com/garethdiz/status/976188140670017536 https://twitter.com/LenioLabsLLC/status/976201790482915328

but why? The whole point of containers is that they are ephemeral and can be booted up quickly anywhere because you statically link the whole fucking OS?

The APIs of platforms are often totally different. If you went to docker cloud for its simplicity and now have to move to AWS/GCP/Azure/etc. and don't have a dedicated DevOps that knows one of those platforms already, you have no choice other than taking a developer working on features and putting them on learning the new API in a few weeks including testing. ~8 weeks is not enough for that if you are a cash-strapped startup.

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

#17

Post by kbar13 »

jsilence wrote: post #11
jopsen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly makes me rethink if docker services should be relied on in production. Migrating off docker cloud will be a pain, but the service was already a pain to use, so maybe it's about time anyways. But imagine being given 2 months to migrate off docker hub for image storage. Panic would ensue :)

I understand that having to abandon ship sucks, but wasn't the whole point of containers that they can be migrated easily? heck, the whole concept got its name from that idea. So why the fuss? edit: typos

sure, but i'd wager that most of the pain point is getting orchestration tools to work on other platforms. and also vetting of other platforms, etc.

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

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Post by joefarish »

gaius wrote: post #18

Docker the file format/command line syntax/etc will long outlive Docker the company Kubernetes “won” so now the competition has shifted from who can innovate to who can execute and operate.

Genuine question - what makes you think that Kubernetes has won?

Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21

#20

Post by gaius »

joefarish wrote: post #19
gaius wrote: post #18

Docker the file format/command line syntax/etc will long outlive Docker the company Kubernetes “won” so now the competition has shifted from who can innovate to who can execute and operate.

Genuine question - what makes you think that Kubernetes has won?

Genuine question - what makes you think that Kubernetes has won?

Well, "won" in quotes. I am not a k8s fanboy or anything, I simply observe that all the major cloud providers are offering managed k8s services that have superseded their own proprietary container-type offerings. For better or worse that's where the momentum is. If you wanted to containerize your stack right now, k8s then pick one of the big 3, seems like a safe bet.

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