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Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by zapita » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 8:55 PM UTC

brokencode wrote: post #6

This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

Apple is not delegating cloud services to IBM. They are partnering with IBM for enterprise go-to-market, as they have done before.

It just happens that cloud services is IBM's preferred method of selling enterprise software and services.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by IBM » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 8:56 PM UTC

brokencode wrote: post #6

This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

How is this any different than Core ML supporting the other tools for creating NNs?

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/coreml/converting_...

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by edko » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 8:57 PM UTC

There is no pricing information easily available. Is it free, or are people supposed to invest time into learning, and then find out what it costs to go live?

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by CodeSheikh » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:01 PM UTC

Is that a printer jam example? If yes, then is Apple using a "printer jam" example to showcase it's ML chops in-collab with the Big Blue?

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by stevenwoo » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:04 PM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #4

I think it's probably the worst idea to partner with IBM.

Probably selective memory on my part but outside of a few research projects I cannot recall the last successful venture to come from IBM since the Space Shuttle onboard computers. (edit) also laptops when they made hardware but they sold off a lot of divisions it seems.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by jedberg » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:06 PM UTC

brokencode wrote: post #6

This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

> Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their own internal abilities, and that’s not a good look.

I think it's a good move. At the very least, they can learn a bit from someone else on how to run a cloud service.

Let me ask you this -- if you didn't already have the Apple hardware that was integrated with iCloud et al, would you pay money to use any of the Apple internet services? Like if they build Windows clients and you had Windows, would you pay to use any of their services?

I can't think of a single Apple service I would pay for if I wasn't on Apple hardware. And even worse, despite the free services from Apple, I will pay to use competitors that offer a worse integration, just to not use the Apple services.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by david-cako » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:17 PM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #4

I think it's probably the worst idea to partner with IBM.

Seeking out possible moves to keep Apple on the leading edge of technology and user experience, a determined Tim Cook arrived at page 103 of his Strategic Decision Making in Information Technology textbook, and came across what some may call ancient wisdom -- such wisdom that seemed peculiarly familiar, as though it was encoded into his subconscious from birth. Left alone in center aligned bold text along the top of the page was scribed "NO ONE GETS FIRED FOR PARTNERING WITH IBM".

Tim, being the savvy executive and decision maker he will always be, concluded that the only logical choice is to make the decision which will virtually nullify his chance of getting fired. "Your legacy shall not go to waste, Steve...", he said under his breath as he picked up the phone.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by awakeasleep » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #16

brokencode wrote: post #6

This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

> Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their own internal abilities, and that’s not a good look. I think it's a good move. At the very least, they can learn a bit from someone else on how to run a cloud service. Let me ask you this -- if you didn't already have the Apple hardware that was integrated wi…

The user experiences of Notes and Contacts are both perfect, and they're an enormous part of what I do with a computing device

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by pktgen » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:20 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #9

Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I Can you imagine the company that made this getting into bed with IBM!?

> Can you imagine the company that made this getting into bed with IBM!?

Remember PowerPC Macs?

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Post by brokencode » Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #16

brokencode wrote: post #6

This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

> Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their own internal abilities, and that’s not a good look. I think it's a good move. At the very least, they can learn a bit from someone else on how to run a cloud service. Let me ask you this -- if you didn't already have the Apple hardware that was integrated wi…

I agree completely that Apple’s cloud services aren’t very compelling right now. I’m just worried that they are trying to use IBM’s cloud instead of building out their own capabilities.

If they are going to improve integration with third party services, I would love to have better integration with Google’s services, not IBM’s..