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Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by avoidit »

mandeepj wrote: post #9
anigbrowl wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuck will put on the Hoodie of Credibility and promise a Full Investigation. Sheryl will invite others to Lean In. Staff will nervously finger their stock options and ponder their vesting schedules. Having said that I don't really want them to fix it so I'm being a touch cynical.

> I don't really want them to fix it Any particular reason for saying so?

Not the GP, but I too feel like if they actually fix it, then there is less chance of catching the other equally culpable actors who now seem to think they have gone above the law (AmaGooFaceSoft). Or worse, actually emboldening them to continue their mad rush to collect every piece of information they can about you.

If FB actually faces complete implosion, their employees are more likely to rat out on the practices of the other companies based on nothing more than having worked at the other company too (after all, when one tech giant hires someone, they are more likely to be hired by a competing tech giant).

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by gtufano »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

At least here in Italy/Europe, beside the "tech bubble", people is vaguely aware that FB is collecting information about them but they are sure "there is nothing they can do with my data beside showing me some silly ad". The discovery that data can be used to actually affect their life has been a shock.

Yes I know, like you, that there is nothing new in the "discovery" but it seems that it's not what people perceive. And this is a significant fact, whatever we think about it.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by ashildr »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

Maybe then changing their business model would be the reasonable thing to do?

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by throwawayfb2018 »

CA's CEO said it best: "It sounds a dreadful thing to say, but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true as long as they’re believed.”

This concept is the skeleton key that explains maybe 85-90% of the legitimately dumb bullshit & disgraceful/reckless behavior from the United States' right-wing

REQUEST: if there's any FB moles reading, maybe live stream that Q&A & ask questions from HN

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by banned1 »

throwawayfb2018 wrote: post #14

CA's CEO said it best: "It sounds a dreadful thing to say, but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true as long as they’re believed.” This concept is the skeleton key that explains maybe 85-90% of the legitimately dumb bullshit & disgraceful/reckless behavior from the United States' right-wing REQUEST: if there's any FB moles reading, maybe live stream that Q&A & ask questions from HN

It's not the right wing's exclusive behavior. But if it makes you happy, believe it.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by ggg9990 »

banned1 wrote: post #15
throwawayfb2018 wrote: post #14

CA's CEO said it best: "It sounds a dreadful thing to say, but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true as long as they’re believed.” This concept is the skeleton key that explains maybe 85-90% of the legitimately dumb bullshit & disgraceful/reckless behavior from the United States' right-wing REQUEST: if there's any FB moles reading, maybe live stream that Q&A & ask questions from HN

It's not the right wing's exclusive behavior. But if it makes you happy, believe it.

OK, name a prominent politician even 10% as unhinged from reality and fact as Donald Trump.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by taneq »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

It's a collective moment of "yeah but we didn't think they would ACTUALLY DO those things they asserted their right to do in the TOS."

As you've said, everything has been "above board" (in the sense of it being advised in the TOS) apart from maybe the fact that apps get access to friends' profiles. Everyone's just outraged that someone put some real effort into using the tools that Facebook provided as they were clearly intended to be used.

(Also maybe it's due to the success of the campaigns by Facebook, Google etc. to redefine 'privacy' as 'no-one but us gets your data'. People were fine with Facebook having the data, but despite being told it would happen, are really not fine with other companies getting access to significant chunks of that data.)

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by kaybe »

gtufano wrote: post #12
jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

At least here in Italy/Europe, beside the "tech bubble", people is vaguely aware that FB is collecting information about them but they are sure "there is nothing they can do with my data beside showing me some silly ad". The discovery that data can be used to actually affect their life has been a shock. Yes I know, like you, that there is nothing new in the "discovery" but it seems that it's not what people perceive.…

Do you think anything will really change over here? I don't really believe it.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by gaius »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

Facebook sells political-influence-as-a-service. The question is how someone ate their lunch right under their noses.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by tomohawk »

ggg9990 wrote: post #16
banned1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the right wing's exclusive behavior. But if it makes you happy, believe it.

OK, name a prominent politician even 10% as unhinged from reality and fact as Donald Trump.

Well, Hillary Clinton still believes her bitterness is something people want to hear. Nancy Pelosi still thinks she's going to be the Dem leader in the House next year.

If what you mean by "unhinged" is "disconnected from what most of us call real life", you would be hard pressed to find national politicians who aren't.

If only there were term limits for all offices at that level.

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