'the incident occurred roughly 100 years from a crosswalk' - deep space?
FYI you can tweet at reporters letting them know there's a typo, and they typically make the edit quickly. They usually seem appreciative.
Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving Car Fatality in Arizona
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#12>Police believe she may have been homeless. Police: "don't worry, she was an undesirable." Next, let's watch them publicly leak her criminal background.
They already did, she was in prison for a year on charges relating to the 'dangerous' drug marijuana. I called almost verbatim what the chief of police actually said in the other thread and had my comment downvoted and flagged for it.
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#13> “The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them,” Moir said. “His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision.”
I don't know if that is supposed to make anyone feel better about this, if anything it makes it seem worse. I thought one of the big benefits of these systems was they were supposed to be better at exactly these kinds of situations?
More like "autonomous cars are better than people at stopping in a flash" rather than "just like people this car didn't stop in a flash".
I'm really not trying to trash these systems, I'm just surprised at this explanation. Though, I guess based on the other comments now, maybe I shouldn't be.
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#14> According to the Chronicle, the preliminary investigation found the Uber car was driving at 38 mph in a 35 mph zone and did not attempt to brake. Herzberg is said to have abruptly walked from a center median into a lane with traffic.
The autonomous vehicle was speeding and made no attempt to decelerate given the sudden presence of an obstruction in its path? I would expect some kind of reaction from the car within seconds, or milliseconds.
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#15So fucking predictable.
I’m often cynical, but I have to ask...what makes this “predictable” to you?
Are you commenting on the evolving narrative which shifts the responsibility from a vehicle-initiated accident to Elaine Herzberg’s actions, or are you decrying something else?
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#16'the incident occurred roughly 100 years from a crosswalk' - deep space?
Yeah saw that, rather than missing the word light, it’s probably yards. Based on what’s reported (not suggesting it’s true or the full story) she basically jumped out in front in which case this indeed would have been hard to avoid.
She definitely "jumped out in front" given no actual evidence that "she jumped out in front." I might even venture that "she lunged" given absolutely nothing to offer in supporting evidence.
Carry on Uber!
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#17This is just police standard operating procedure. In any kind of manslaughter where a vehicle is involved, save on paperwork and blame whichever party ended up dead before the driver has even spoken the words "she came from nowhere". Here is the police chief spelling it out for Uber: she came from the shadows I wonder what that LIDAR thinks about the shadows . I mean, this system is in place because everybody drives…
> I wonder what that LIDAR thinks about the shadows.
I honestly don't follow these systems very close, but I thought that was one of the big selling points, LIDAR can see into tough situations and things like "the shadows" and help avoid situations where people would fail.
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#18I don't want to hear any officer's opinion on this until the video and radar is publicly released. It's unclear on what evidence the officer bases this account of events.
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#19> “The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them,” Moir said. “His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision.” I don't know if that is supposed to make anyone feel better about this, if anything it makes it seem worse. I thought one of the big benefits of these systems was they were supposed to be better at exactly these kinds of situations? More like "autonomous cars a…
If somebody jumped in front of the car at the last second, it would be physically impossible to break in time.
I assume what people mean by "stopping in a flash" is closer to taking the right actions faster (e.g 40ms vs 800ms) when there's still a chance of changing the outcome.
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#20> “The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them,” Moir said. “His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision.” I don't know if that is supposed to make anyone feel better about this, if anything it makes it seem worse. I thought one of the big benefits of these systems was they were supposed to be better at exactly these kinds of situations? More like "autonomous cars a…
A X,000lb car going 38mph takes a certain amount of time and distance to stop, even with a perfect reaction time. If she really did step out in front of the car with less than that distance to spare, than there wasn’t much to be done, sadly.