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The US military could begin drafting 40-year-old hackers

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Re: The US military could begin drafting 40-year-old hackers

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Post by cafard »

jsjohnst wrote: post #10
cafard wrote: post #9

Drafting or enlisting? I don't think that anyone born after 1953 ever was drafted.

I agree, the last year someone could’ve been born and drafted was 1952, but how does that change anything? I thought the article was talking about reinstating the SSS.

It does--I hadn't bothered to read it, sorry.

Still, I think it the plan impractical. Trying to draft those with the most resources to fight the draft is just not going to work well.

The article is incorrect about radios and TVs. It was the very end of the draft era that the birthday lottery was introduced, and young men listened with great attention to see whether they came in under 100 (likely to be drafted) or over 300 (most unlikely).

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Post by brudgers »

Changing Selective Service rules is a long way off. Changing the rules is even further from instituting a draft. Instituting a draft across the universe from the sort of arbitrary conscription implied by the article. Arbitrary conscription of people from a well paid industry with the resources to hire good lawyers...yes it's a logical possibility. However the premises of the logical possibility include a centralization of state power in a way that excludes the interests of capital. Basically, conscription of forty year old IT professionals would require US political culture to become more like a Stalinist state. And a change to US military culture which has been built to maximize the benefits of a volunteer army, like better motivation than conscripts.

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Post by jcranmer »

King-Aaron wrote: post #2

Honestly asking - surely this isn't something that the United States would seriously consider in this day and age, is it?

It's unlikely that the military is going to ask for a return to mandatory conscription mechanisms. The main advantage of conscription is that it gives you lots and lots of bodies to throw at a problem, but the quality suffers as a result, particularly since conscription is usually on shorter terms than enlistment (so you spend more of your time in training as opposed to in the field).

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Post by squozzer »

>On a side note, I once melted the face off of a GI Joe with a magnifying glass, burying him in a shallow grave in the backyard in an attempt to conceal the crime. That GI Joe, I presume, is now rolling over in his grave.

Oh yeah? I used to destroy those cheap green "armymen" with firecrackers and sometimes gasoline.

With respect to military culture, its rigidity is all over the map, and mostly depends on the nature of the unit's mission.

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Post by jsjohnst »

cafard wrote: post #11
jsjohnst wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, the last year someone could’ve been born and drafted was 1952, but how does that change anything? I thought the article was talking about reinstating the SSS.

It does--I hadn't bothered to read it, sorry. Still, I think it the plan impractical. Trying to draft those with the most resources to fight the draft is just not going to work well. The article is incorrect about radios and TVs. It was the very end of the draft era that the birthday lottery was introduced, and young men listened with great attention to see whether they came in under 100 (likely to be drafted) or ove…

> Trying to draft those with the most resources to fight the draft is just not going to work well.

Agree completely.

Re: The US military could begin drafting 40-year-old hackers

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Post by redspectre »

dfsegoat wrote: post #8
redspectre wrote: post #3

The military is the antithesis of hacking culture: - Play by the rules, even if they don't make sense, because I said so. - Listen to people above your paygrade, even if they are clueless, because that's the way we do things around here. - There's a simple rulebook and checklists to follow to complete your task, and if you don't follow the rules you get punished. - Low pay for extraordinary work. - Endless meetings a…

You are misinformed my friend. With respect to innovation and talent, and the military - One of the top officers in command of the US Marine Corps said this a few days ago, about the technical talent that the corps has been attracting [1]: "My eyes are watering with what our young people can do right now..I have an engineering background, but I’m telling you, some of these 21- and 22-year-olds are well ahead of me" a…

I found your assessment out of context. The context of this article was essentially: "Should we force hackers to come work for us via selective service, even if they are older than the current cutoff age? Should we change the cutoff age to make this legal?"

Yes, the military might be doing "impressive" things with people who VOLUNTARILY join, but I can assure you, if you draft hackers to work for the military in the same way you draft truck drivers and infantryman back in the 60s, you will get few if any good hackers. I know exactly zero hackers who think joining the Marines is an appealing venture. That was the essence of my comment.

Nice try though, appreciate the propaganda about using 3D printers to waste less money killing people in other countries that never attacked us though. Thank god we are saving big money doing that.

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