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Re: Google helps Pentagon analyze military drone footage–employees “outraged”

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Post by rhino369 »

peterwwillis wrote: post #8

I think this is a good example of how their old ethos of "Do no evil" was a narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into. Sitting in your expensive apartment (raising rents so that the former neighbors can no longer afford to live here), sipping your Starbucks (a global commodity dependent on trade deals to somewhat stabilize paying farmers around the world abou…

Arguably our wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq weren't really supporting our lifestyle at all. They huge mistakes and wastes of money. Our way of life won't really change if the Taliban take over Kabul using Pashtu tribal lands as a staging ground. If we wanted oil from Iraq we could have just dropped sanctions.

Re: Google helps Pentagon analyze military drone footage–employees “outraged”

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Post by MertsA »

riku_iki wrote: post #4
IntronExon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/drone-strikes-... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone... Whatever you think of civilian deaths, don’t forget that we assasinated 6 US citizens without a trial. Freedoms my ass. What about the freedom of people attending a wedding or receiving medical treatment not to be killed? If this was another country doing the same to the US, would your non-a…

Wars always have casualties. Technology helps to reduce them. In WW2 it was normal to wipe whole cities using bombs.

In fairness, can you name a time in WW2 where the US government intentionally killed US citizens without regard to due process? There is supposed to be a strict separation of never using the military against the citizens of the united states. We have the national guard for a reason. Capturing those targets wasn't an objective, the government wanted them dead and it didn't afford any of those American citizens the rights laid out in the constitution.

How is that any different than murder?

Re: Google helps Pentagon analyze military drone footage–employees “outraged”

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Post by ztratar »

peterwwillis wrote: post #8

I think this is a good example of how their old ethos of "Do no evil" was a narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into. Sitting in your expensive apartment (raising rents so that the former neighbors can no longer afford to live here), sipping your Starbucks (a global commodity dependent on trade deals to somewhat stabilize paying farmers around the world abou…

"narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people"

Apparently not wanting to be evil is now reserved for privileged white people.

I'm a liberal, and I consider this type of logical & sentiment to be the exact thing that alienates independents and right-leaning individuals.

Peace is something that is commonly desired and should be promoted. "Good" is the same.

Beyond that, I personally think you're casting a wide net of "evil." Your facts are accurate, but if something is sourced from the work of an illegal immigrant... does that make it evil? Is something made overseas for pennies evil?

It seems to me you're talking about all imbalance in the world to be "evil." We're on our way as a civilization towards more equality, and poverty lines around the world prove this. What's driving that? Markets.

Re: Google helps Pentagon analyze military drone footage–employees “outraged”

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Post by maxander »

peterwwillis wrote: post #8

I think this is a good example of how their old ethos of "Do no evil" was a narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into. Sitting in your expensive apartment (raising rents so that the former neighbors can no longer afford to live here), sipping your Starbucks (a global commodity dependent on trade deals to somewhat stabilize paying farmers around the world abou…

It's possible to participate in injustice in a multiplicity of implicit, difficult-to-see ways and yet still object to participating in explicit, obvious injustices. Doing so is still far preferable to not objecting to obvious injustices, regardless of what you're up to in your spare time.

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Post by dragonwriter »

riku_iki wrote: post #4
IntronExon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/drone-strikes-... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone... Whatever you think of civilian deaths, don’t forget that we assasinated 6 US citizens without a trial. Freedoms my ass. What about the freedom of people attending a wedding or receiving medical treatment not to be killed? If this was another country doing the same to the US, would your non-a…

Wars always have casualties. Technology helps to reduce them. In WW2 it was normal to wipe whole cities using bombs.

> Wars always have casualties. Technology helps to reduce them. In WW2 it was normal to wipe whole cities using bombs.

Large scale aerial bombardment of cities in WWII was enabled by advances in technology in the period shortly before that period, so it's really not a good thing to bring up to support a blanket “technology helps reduce them” claim about casualties.

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Post by lotu »

MertsA wrote: post #12
riku_iki wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wars always have casualties. Technology helps to reduce them. In WW2 it was normal to wipe whole cities using bombs.

In fairness, can you name a time in WW2 where the US government intentionally killed US citizens without regard to due process? There is supposed to be a strict separation of never using the military against the citizens of the united states. We have the national guard for a reason. Capturing those targets wasn't an objective, the government wanted them dead and it didn't afford any of those American citizens the rig…

Japanese internment camps? I’m sure at that scale people died that would not have.

Next given the scale of wwii I’m sure there were us citizens fighting for the axis powers. The main difference is we lacked the ability to track, research, and target individuals like we do today.

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Post by fwgwgwgch »

peterwwillis wrote: post #8

I think this is a good example of how their old ethos of "Do no evil" was a narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into. Sitting in your expensive apartment (raising rents so that the former neighbors can no longer afford to live here), sipping your Starbucks (a global commodity dependent on trade deals to somewhat stabilize paying farmers around the world abou…

मै भारतीय हूं I am an indian

What is this privileged white people thing? Everywhere I see people get banned left right and center on Twitter for posting mere facts about crimes by people of color (not Indians and chibese mind you, we're the highest and second earning group in the us)

On the other hand, it's perfectly okay to claim all whites are racist and white race should be dead.

How does this thing work? This privilege? Do white people get stuff cheaper (because as an Indian I'd love to get a white guy to do my shopping).

Do they get more opportunities? How do? Isn't it illegal? Everywhere I see, the elite colleges seem to be going out of their way to incorporate people of color.

All I see are subversive attempts by sections of media to try and create a narrative

And I'm no fan of white myself, lots of forced conversion in Indian tribal areas by whites. But I hate subversion much more

Re: Google helps Pentagon analyze military drone footage–employees “outraged”

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Post by IntronExon »

lotu wrote: post #16
MertsA wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, can you name a time in WW2 where the US government intentionally killed US citizens without regard to due process? There is supposed to be a strict separation of never using the military against the citizens of the united states. We have the national guard for a reason. Capturing those targets wasn't an objective, the government wanted them dead and it didn't afford any of those American citizens the rig…

Japanese internment camps? I’m sure at that scale people died that would not have. Next given the scale of wwii I’m sure there were us citizens fighting for the axis powers. The main difference is we lacked the ability to track, research, and target individuals like we do today.

While those camps were morally reprehensible and constitutionally indefensible, the goal was not to kill people. Can we at least agree that the whole , “A secret court has ordered your death from the sky,” thing is a lot more purposefully murderous? Not capture, not detain, just kill.

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Post by moonman1956 »

peterwwillis wrote: post #8

I think this is a good example of how their old ethos of "Do no evil" was a narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into. Sitting in your expensive apartment (raising rents so that the former neighbors can no longer afford to live here), sipping your Starbucks (a global commodity dependent on trade deals to somewhat stabilize paying farmers around the world abou…

> narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into.

I cannot wait for the day that this type if language and rhetoric is rightfully considered racist and wrong in the mainstream.

Literally fuck you.

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Post by shiado »

peterwwillis wrote: post #8

I think this is a good example of how their old ethos of "Do no evil" was a narrow-minded fantasy by privileged white people who never had to face the world they were born into. Sitting in your expensive apartment (raising rents so that the former neighbors can no longer afford to live here), sipping your Starbucks (a global commodity dependent on trade deals to somewhat stabilize paying farmers around the world abou…

I don't think I have ever seen a level of projection as intense and specific as this into a comment. Get help. Please.
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