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We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by ovao »

combatentropy wrote: post #6

Luke's plan was to destroy Jabba the Hut. Jabba had been chasing Han since before A New Hope . If Luke just were to break Han out, then Han would be back in the same thicket he was before: running from Jabba. The group was tired of that. The plan is rough, yes, but in a confident way: "If we just get us all inside the palace, it will be like planting dynamite." Was it dishonest then, for Luke first to ask Jabba nicel…

I like the explanation, but here's where I get hung up on it: at what point did Luke — in his collective scheming with the gang — inform Leia that she'd probably be put in a bikini and licked upon by a slug gangster if anything went even slightly wrong? Or was Leia in Jabba-bondage part of Luke's plan all along, and he is, in reality, just kind of an inconsiderate dick?

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

ovao wrote: post #11
combatentropy wrote: post #6

Luke's plan was to destroy Jabba the Hut. Jabba had been chasing Han since before A New Hope . If Luke just were to break Han out, then Han would be back in the same thicket he was before: running from Jabba. The group was tired of that. The plan is rough, yes, but in a confident way: "If we just get us all inside the palace, it will be like planting dynamite." Was it dishonest then, for Luke first to ask Jabba nicel…

I like the explanation, but here's where I get hung up on it: at what point did Luke — in his collective scheming with the gang — inform Leia that she'd probably be put in a bikini and licked upon by a slug gangster if anything went even slightly wrong? Or was Leia in Jabba-bondage part of Luke's plan all along, and he is, in reality, just kind of an inconsiderate dick?

Relatedly, at what point did George Lucas inform Carrie Fisher of the same?

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by protomyth »

saudioger wrote: post #9

I assumed that they really just didn't communicate with each other well. Leia showed up on her own (and failed), Luke sent the droids as part of _his_ plan (also failed), Lando was trying to get Han out from the inside (interrupted by the other plans)... they just didn't coordinate.

Yeah, it was one scene away from all those older heist movies where everything went wrong because everyone was trying their own play at the same time. It really seemed like everyone went their separate ways.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by [deleted] »

ovao wrote: post #11
combatentropy wrote: post #6

Luke's plan was to destroy Jabba the Hut. Jabba had been chasing Han since before A New Hope . If Luke just were to break Han out, then Han would be back in the same thicket he was before: running from Jabba. The group was tired of that. The plan is rough, yes, but in a confident way: "If we just get us all inside the palace, it will be like planting dynamite." Was it dishonest then, for Luke first to ask Jabba nicel…

I like the explanation, but here's where I get hung up on it: at what point did Luke — in his collective scheming with the gang — inform Leia that she'd probably be put in a bikini and licked upon by a slug gangster if anything went even slightly wrong? Or was Leia in Jabba-bondage part of Luke's plan all along, and he is, in reality, just kind of an inconsiderate dick?

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Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by OrganicMSG »

Luke was never meant to enter. He was supposed to be the getaway pilot.

Lando, R2D2 and C3PO are supposed to break out Chewie, fetch Leia and Han, then all escape and get picked up by Luke.

Luke is just winging it after everybody missed the rendezvous, as Leia underestimated just how long Jabba and his entourage could wait silently behind a curtain.

The lightsaber was carried in by R2D2 as a backup weapon for Leia, who also came up with the plan.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by mlevental »

jimmytucson wrote: post #8

This sounds like a question Sci-fi Stack Exchange would make mince meat out of. For example: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/182014/why-does-th... But seriously, little inconsistencies like these make me think Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document to be handed down and analyzed by generations like the Tanakh or something.

>But seriously, little inconsistencies like these make me think Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document to be handed down

i'll give you a hint: almost every piece of modern fiction is like this. look to the old masters for very very thoroughly fleshed out stories (there are hundreds of characters in war and peace and they all have full lives consistent with each other - no surprise it took tolstoy a decade to write it)

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by _sdegutis »

jimmytucson wrote: post #8

This sounds like a question Sci-fi Stack Exchange would make mince meat out of. For example: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/182014/why-does-th... But seriously, little inconsistencies like these make me think Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document to be handed down and analyzed by generations like the Tanakh or something.

Having first watched the originals as an adult, I really don’t understand the mass appeal.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by michaelchisari »

jimmytucson wrote: post #8

This sounds like a question Sci-fi Stack Exchange would make mince meat out of. For example: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/182014/why-does-th... But seriously, little inconsistencies like these make me think Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document to be handed down and analyzed by generations like the Tanakh or something.

Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document

I saw The Last Jedi, had a great time, and came home to find Star Wars fans apoplectic about it, picking apart all kinds of things ("how does rey know how to swim?", "how does leia survive space?", etc). The original trilogy would never survive similar scrutiny.

I went to see a kids movie about space wizards, and that's what I got. It was fun.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by jancsika »

Someone should start a movement to point out the plot holes in Star Wars from wipe transitions that would obviously have killed the characters in the scene being wiped. Yet later, there the characters are again, no explanation given.
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