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Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That one could have been flagged off the front page, these kind of discussions are tricky to keep civil. This one will probably be flagged out in a similar manner.

Is that an automated process? The comment section didn't strike as being particularly uncivil. Seems odd that both that and the post about google's poorly implemented gun filter were removed from front page.

It is hard to tell, in this case if you are curious I would just ask dang directly.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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I don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince…

If it can be shown that Google refused to interview certain candidates because of their race or sex, that is illegal discrimination, regardless of the demographics of Google's workforce.

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I don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince…

If it can be shown that Google refused to interview certain candidates because of their race or sex, that is illegal discrimination, regardless of the demographics of Google's workforce.

Yeah, I'll be surprised if that can actually be shown, but I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've been surprised.

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I don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince…

Since you mention that you deal mostly with whites and Asians, what kind of issues do you deal with that you wouldn't think we be as bad under a more diverse team.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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I don’t know. As an Asian male, do I want to work with just other Asian males or white males?

Do you?

You mention you are asian so would you prefer working in an office with 100% ethnic asians or 100% ethnic indian. Even just assume that both are culturally citizens of the country.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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I don’t know. As an Asian male, do I want to work with just other Asian males or white males?

The article has nothing to do with who you want to work with.

The allegation is that Google was systematically dismissing candidates who fell into a certain (protected) class, from being even considered at a certain stage of the interview process. That's illegal.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Hiring a diverse team can be great in lots of ways. Especially for a global product, like many of the ones Google provides, you want a product team that can understand the lived experiences of a rich and varied user base.

Diversity means many things, not just gender and ethnicity. Some of the biggest blind spots I’ve noticed in Silicon Valley companies come from lack of diversity in age and class.

Diversity should be about inclusion, not about exclusion. All people involved in hiring should understand the (common-sense, in my opinion) boundaries set by the Civil Rights Act. Regardless of what you might think when reading certain parts of tumblr or twitter, “only accept new L3 candidates that are from historically underrepresented groups” is not forward thinking or progressive. To the extent that it is what it appears to be—slightly coded language for filtering resumes based on gender and race—it’s illegal.

There are so many brilliant people out there, often overlooked. Graduates from un-fancy colleges. Engineers a few years from retirement, but unsatisfied with their current job. A high school contest coder looking for an internship. A person from a poor family who bootstrapped thru community college. To me, diversity is about taking the extra effort to find excellence everywhere, rather than just looking in the default places.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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I don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince…

Since you mention that you deal mostly with whites and Asians, what kind of issues do you deal with that you wouldn't think we be as bad under a more diverse team.

I am not one who espouses a utility perspective on diversity. The research I've seen, such as it is, does not seem compelling. I care more about the justice aspect.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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I don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince…

> Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else.[...] Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company.

At a first glance the racial category "white" on its own is obviously underrepresented at Google both relative to the population of California and relative to that of the United States.

California is ~79% "white" (2005 data here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California ) whereas Google is only ~56% "white" (2017 data here: http://fortune.com/2017/06/29/google-2017-diversity-report/ ).

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