I think it's less about whether Apple has Flash and more about how Gruber deals with dissenting opinions. I've seen him do hit jobs on bloggers for their opinion and small-time indy programmers for their design with no provocation.
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#12I don't own an iPad but I think Apple's non-support of Flash is great. It's shipping the first major web browser in the last decade that's explicitly not supporting flash.
So it's helping to make Flash more irrelevant every day, by forcing developers to finally consider that delivering their content in some executable binary blob isn't a reasonable thing to do on the web.
Thanks, Apple!
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#13We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy. I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."
There have been a number of occasions when I was glad to have Flash. A lot of restaurant websites are built entirely in Flash. Granted this really applies to my phone more than it does the iPad. Usually if I am looking at something on the iPad I can go grab my laptop for Flash, even if it is a pain. But having Flash on my phone has definitely come in handy.
I also ran into a problem with YouTube the other day. I couldn't find a video that I knew was there. Turns out it isn't available through the YouTube app, only on the regular website. Granted you could argue that is a complaint about YouTube, but if I had Flash on the iPad then I would just be going to the normal YouTube site and would not have experienced that frustration.
Basically I don't have a need for Flash on a regular basis. But there is still a lot of "legacy" content out there that is encoded in Flash and it would be nice to be able to access it.
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#14Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they? A working mobile flash implementation does not exist, certainly wasn't even close to existing at the time the iPad was released, and the lack of it doesn't seem to have affected sales. How could you possibly complain that the iPad doesn't support software that doesn't exist? Let's postpone this discussion until when Adobe can show off a flash runtime tha…
When I see people jailbreaking their iPhones to support flash, and flash works well, then the community should talk. Can't agree with you more.
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I have a htc desire that supports flash and havent once though, "Phew I am glad my phone supports flash". I am considering finding out how to disable it, the battery life isnt awesome and if my laptop is anything to go by, flash is pretty high on that culprit list.
In the options of the browser, under plugins. I have set it to prompt, best of both worlds.
oh brilliant, thanks
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#16We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy. I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."
There have been a number of occasions when I was glad to have Flash. A lot of restaurant websites are built entirely in Flash. Granted this really applies to my phone more than it does the iPad. Usually if I am looking at something on the iPad I can go grab my laptop for Flash, even if it is a pain. But having Flash on my phone has definitely come in handy. I also ran into a problem with YouTube the other day. I coul…
Other video sites besides YouTube aren't fully there yet. I randomly run into embedded videos on blogs that are using Flash to embed -- it's not always easy to find the HTML5 version. It's been getting better.
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#17We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy. I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."
Try browsing for a new car or clothes. For whatever reason both of those verticals are highly dependent on Flash and as such unusable on the iPad. I would have thought luxury brands would have figured out by now that iOS demographics trend affluent and should be valued. Update: Case in point... http://hugoboss.com - usable mobile site, but you can't see or buy any of the clothes! http://bananarepublic.gap.com/ - "Fla…
Not sure what kind of grocery-getter you were looking at, but the Audi USA site let me ogle and price hot an R8 on my iPad just fine.
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When I see people jailbreaking their iPhones to support flash, and flash works well, then the community should talk. Can't agree with you more.
Check out: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/07/how-to-install-flash-on-y...
Sorry, I'm not trying to say that this wasn't yet possible, just that I want to see a number of people doing it. Are the reports good? does it work very well?
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#19Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they? A working mobile flash implementation does not exist, certainly wasn't even close to existing at the time the iPad was released, and the lack of it doesn't seem to have affected sales. How could you possibly complain that the iPad doesn't support software that doesn't exist? Let's postpone this discussion until when Adobe can show off a flash runtime tha…
> Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they? Give Adobe the green light to dust off their previous work and complete it. No one will make a serious effort at Flash for iOS before gaining approval from Apple.
I think the idea is that the non-iOS Mobile Flash players are sub-par.
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Try browsing for a new car or clothes. For whatever reason both of those verticals are highly dependent on Flash and as such unusable on the iPad. I would have thought luxury brands would have figured out by now that iOS demographics trend affluent and should be valued. Update: Case in point... http://hugoboss.com - usable mobile site, but you can't see or buy any of the clothes! http://bananarepublic.gap.com/ - "Fla…
Not sure what kind of grocery-getter you were looking at, but the Audi USA site let me ogle and price hot an R8 on my iPad just fine.
Audi USA's site is broken in Mobile Safari--the menu bar stays in position when you move the page which covers up text. Looking at the desktop version it appears they always want it to be on the bottom of the page, but Mobile Safari behaves differently enough for that to break.
Oh and did you check out the R8's photos and video page? Flash required error. You can't even see a photo gallery of the car.