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Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Re: Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Post by briga »

GuiA wrote: post #7
briga wrote: post #4

Using events like this to illustrate that global warming is happening is about as scientifically significant as when Trump used the recent US cold snap to imply that global warming isn't happening. I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist--it certainly does--but outlying events like this aren't by themselves particularly unusual. "Normal", after all, is at the top of a bell curve, and deviations from normal should…

Isolated abnormal events aren't significant to illustrate global warming is happening, but an increasing frequency of abnormal events is.

Granted, but I can just picture the people posting this to Facebook citing it as definitive proof that the world is melting.

Re: Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Post by tachyoff »

briga wrote: post #11
GuiA wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isolated abnormal events aren't significant to illustrate global warming is happening, but an increasing frequency of abnormal events is.

Granted, but I can just picture the people posting this to Facebook citing it as definitive proof that the world is melting.

There’s definitely a fine line, but let’s be real, Facebook was never really about fine lines and nuance.

Re: Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Post by igravious »

bitL wrote: post #3

Didn't the same happen last year, with arctic polar region being warmer than sub-arctic latitudes? Maybe it's the new normal climate or at least semi-persistent like El Niño?

It actually says so in the article,

“This next batch of abnormally warm air is forecast to shoot the gap between Greenland and northern Europe through the Greenland and Barents seas. Similar circumstances occurred in December 2016, when the temperature at the North Pole last flirted with the melting point in the dark, dead of winter. Similarly large jumps in temperature were documented in November 2016 and December 2015.”

It happens every year? Therefore it's not unusual.

So that makes this, “This latest huge temperature spike in the Arctic is another striking indicator of its rapidly transforming climate.”, uh, what?

Re: Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Post by bretthopper »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #2

Anecdotal: Here in Toronto, it's been 16˚C this past week. In February. We've had about 2 or 3 real snowfalls that stuck around for a few days before melting. As somebody who loves ice skating outside, it's really frustrating. And I love the snow. Every year it seems like the winter gets a little milder...

> it's been 16˚C this past week

One single day hit 16 at the max. Another hit ~14. That's a very generous way of looking at our weather this winter. This has been a much snowier winter than last year as well (and some others of recent memory).

Yes it's been unusual to have the final 2 weeks of February average above 0 during the day.

Both December and January were very cold with a monthly mean temp of -5˚C (ref: http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?...). By mid-January there were a ton of stories in the media about how cold our winter had been and various records had been set. Everyone in the city was complaining about this winter for most of it (until recently).

Example: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/fourteen-cold-h...

Re: Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Post by fleitz »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #2

Anecdotal: Here in Toronto, it's been 16˚C this past week. In February. We've had about 2 or 3 real snowfalls that stuck around for a few days before melting. As somebody who loves ice skating outside, it's really frustrating. And I love the snow. Every year it seems like the winter gets a little milder...

Here in Vancouver, we just got a foot of snow.

Re: Arctic temperatures soar 25 degrees above normal in the dead of winter

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Post by CardenB »

darrenf wrote: post #18
rm999 wrote: post #9

Note that this is in Celsius - for us Americans, this is 45 degrees Fahrenheit above normal.

25°c is 77°f, not 45.

yeah this is referring to how high it is above normal, not actually 25 degrees celsius. there was a delta of 45 deg Fahrenheit.
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