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Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which pedophile case are you thinking about and when was the last time Sweden had a bank robbery?

I used the phrase bank robber but what I meant was värdedepårån. Semantics, the point is that financial crime is often treated worse than violent crime. Our whole society is cashless and one of the official reasons are to prevent robberies. But we haven't changed sentences for pedophiles. Pick a case. I just googled "dömd pedofil" and found several cases of them being convicted to 2-4 years prison for molestation and…

> And they get psychological care very often.

...Should they not? I mean, granted those sentences seem awfully lenient, but unless their sentence is life or death, they're going to get out eventually, and we want them to be less rapey when they do, right?

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Attempts at this type of legislation make me almost irrationally angry. This is a quote from the article that the PIA post linked to (translated from Swedish by Google so wording may be slightly off): "Today there is an organized online piracy that has major consequences for the whole community. Therefore, it is good that the punishment crimes for these crimes have been overlooked as the sanction is proportional to t…

Are we still saying piracy loses money for somebody? Even after the EU paper about it?

Why is it so hard to believe research?

https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/secret-copyright-infringement-s...

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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post #4

I'm not surprised when I see on swedish news how a pedophile gets 3-4 years for molesting hundreds of children and a bank robber gets 5-8 years for not hurting a single person but stealing millions. It's a long standing dark gag here that financial crime is being treated much worse than violent crime.

“Do you understand what I'm saying?" shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!"

"Why Not? You Do." The golem lowered his arm.

"What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?"

"I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly.

"I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have never so much as drawn a sword!"

"No, You Have Not. But You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded And Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr Lipvig. You Have Ruined Businesses And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Do Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Bread From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. For Sport, Mr Lipvig. For Sport. For The Joy Of The Game.”

― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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post #12
post #3

Attempts at this type of legislation make me almost irrationally angry. This is a quote from the article that the PIA post linked to (translated from Swedish by Google so wording may be slightly off): "Today there is an organized online piracy that has major consequences for the whole community. Therefore, it is good that the punishment crimes for these crimes have been overlooked as the sanction is proportional to t…

Are we still saying piracy loses money for somebody? Even after the EU paper about it? Why is it so hard to believe research? https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/secret-copyright-infringement-s...

You cite a single article, which goes against the past two decades of experience, where illegal downloads have decimated much of the entire music industry.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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post #4

I'm not surprised when I see on swedish news how a pedophile gets 3-4 years for molesting hundreds of children and a bank robber gets 5-8 years for not hurting a single person but stealing millions. It's a long standing dark gag here that financial crime is being treated much worse than violent crime.

“Do you understand what I'm saying?" shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!" "Why Not? You Do." The golem lowered his arm. "What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?" "I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly. "I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have n…

It's far more nefarious to steal $1.00 from a million people than $1M from one.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we still saying piracy loses money for somebody? Even after the EU paper about it? Why is it so hard to believe research? https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/secret-copyright-infringement-s...

You cite a single article, which goes against the past two decades of experience, where illegal downloads have decimated much of the entire music industry.

lmao, you sure know what you're talking about, the music industry is just in tatters these days huh

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. Presumably the bill will not pass if it's terrible and the other members are sane/not-corrupt. So the presence of this bill is unfortunate, but I doubt it would get passed.

The money in politics problem has been increasing in much of the development world, so we have seen corporate interest laws pushed and often passed. The US of course is one of the worst offenders of this, and unfortunately this corporate-government system has been spreading to Europe and Scandinavia.

Fortunately for the world, the current US political circus has finally become so absurd that the global corporate right wing spread has slowed (based on elections in the last year). Maybe it will reverse once thinking populations finally realize the outcomes of the non-public-serving policies that their corrupt politicians have been pushing.

Yes this all sounds a bit dramatic, but there really aren't other adequate words to describe the direction of politics in the last 20-30 years. It really has been a problem of corporate money in politics, and it snuck up on "the people". But eventually the results begin to show, whether by excessive gun violence, increasing financial deficits (think "Kansas/Brownback"), perpetual wars, increasing first world poverty, etc. The absurdity reaches a point where it impacts enough of the comfortable people that they start caring what their politicians are actually doing, and then you start seeing big turnovers and upheavals as we're starting to see in US states now.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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This is frankly surprising to me. Didn’t the Pirate Party win seats in the Swedish parliament? What happened to them?

They never got into the Swedish parliament, only to the EU parliament.

They did not perform very well in the Swedish elections (less than 1%, 4% is limit to get seats), and after their initial push their momentum seemed to die off.

According to my personal view, a large part why the Pirate Party would not succeed in Sweden was that the party members (not the 'sign up for free on a webpage'-members, but party leaders) and their activists were very different in ideology. Party members were strongly libertarian while activists were more on the left.

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