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How to build an antigravity device

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Re: How to build an antigravity device

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a superfluid flows with zero viscosity, that means if we were to put it into some kind of centrifuge and spin it, it would not slow down due to friction. If it never slows down due to friction, in theory, that implies we should be able to accelerate a superfluid to the speed of light. ah ah ah ah nope.

Could you explain why not?

It doesn't sound right to me either, but I have a hard time explaining to myself why it wouldn't maintain it's velocity.

Re: How to build an antigravity device

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post #5

I'm sorry, that was a super disappointing reveal. "However, we would expect the centrifuge to gain mass (and hence generate an increasing gravitational field) as fluid spins up to relativistic speeds. Hello warp drive! Oh, and you’re welcome." Congrats, E=mc², you've collected a large amount of energy in a small area and created a gravitational field. You've now reached the space travel and anti-gravity technology of…

A small rock near a larger rock, to be fair. Still not very effective.

Re: How to build an antigravity device

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post #7

Why do you need a superfluid? It sounds like all you need is disc in a vacuum that you suspend/rotate like the armature of a motor. Until, of course, it gets nowhere near the speed of light because the limiting factor to spinning something fast isn't friction, it's the required centripetal force to keep it in one piece. And assuming you could solve that by making the spinning thing out of unobtanium, you're still not…

But is that not why he is using a fluid? A fluid does not have intermolecular bonds that need to overcome the centripetal force, so it shouldn't be a problem?

It still has inertia, and as you point out it has the added disadvantage of having no internal structure to help hold it in place.

Put a plate in the center of a turntable and pour some water into it. Now rotate the turntable, slowly accelerating. What happens to the water?

Re: How to build an antigravity device

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I think you guys are overlooking the most obvious flaw, in that a "superferrofluid" should be impossible to manufacture, as a "ferrofluid" by definition must have some amount of intermolecular bonding, where as a "superfluid" cannot have any at all.

Re: How to build an antigravity device

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I think you guys are overlooking the most obvious flaw, in that a "superferrofluid" should be impossible to manufacture, as a "ferrofluid" by definition must have some amount of intermolecular bonding, where as a "superfluid" cannot have any at all.

Yes, that's what I was about to write: a “superconducting ferro-superfluid” is, as I understand it, an oxymoronic self-contradiction.

Re: How to build an antigravity device

#17

a superfluid flows with zero viscosity, that means if we were to put it into some kind of centrifuge and spin it, it would not slow down due to friction. If it never slows down due to friction, in theory, that implies we should be able to accelerate a superfluid to the speed of light. ah ah ah ah nope.

Could you explain why not? It doesn't sound right to me either, but I have a hard time explaining to myself why it wouldn't maintain it's velocity.

The first problem I thought of is that as the speed goes up, the centripetal force causes the pressure to increase. At some point there will be a transition from liquid to solid. Eg, for ⁴He, and if I read the phase diagram correctly, that's at 25 bar.

I searched for "rotating superfluid helium" and found http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2018/feb/07/unexpec... , which is a summary of https://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.97.01... . It says that there is friction, perhaps caused by "quasiparticles that become trapped within the cores of vortexes. As the vortexes accelerate, the quasiparticles gain energy, which they can then dissipate to their surroundings in the form of friction."

Re: How to build an antigravity device

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post #5

I'm sorry, that was a super disappointing reveal. "However, we would expect the centrifuge to gain mass (and hence generate an increasing gravitational field) as fluid spins up to relativistic speeds. Hello warp drive! Oh, and you’re welcome." Congrats, E=mc², you've collected a large amount of energy in a small area and created a gravitational field. You've now reached the space travel and anti-gravity technology of…

Yes to me it doesn't any more realistic than Bob Lazar's story that he quotes, just more convoluted.

My understanding of a warp drive (Alcubierre drive) is that it contracts space in front of the ship while expanding space behind it. I don't understand how increasing a gravitational field locally is meant to achieve any of that.

Re: How to build an antigravity device

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What would be cool is a circulating superfluid, say inside a hollow torus, that could be made frictional on command at a chosen spot on the interior surface of the torus. Imagine holding the torus like a steering wheel. Inside, the superfluid is rapidly circulating. Say when a laser zaps a region where fluid and container touch, the superfluid becomes slightly frictional in that spot. One would feel the steering wheel yank in the direction of flow. So long as energy could be added back to the superfluid to accelerate its circulation, it could be extracted again and again with laser zaps to do work. (How many ways can a superfluid circulate inside a hollow torus?)

Re: How to build an antigravity device

#20

What would be cool is a circulating superfluid, say inside a hollow torus, that could be made frictional on command at a chosen spot on the interior surface of the torus. Imagine holding the torus like a steering wheel. Inside, the superfluid is rapidly circulating. Say when a laser zaps a region where fluid and container touch, the superfluid becomes slightly frictional in that spot. One would feel the steering whee…

Why would it be cool?

We can do something like that already with current flowing in a circle in a superconductor. Resistance corresponds to friction. In the worst case you get a quench and all of the stored angular momentum results in a torque that breaks your machine.

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