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The default position of HN is skepticism

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Re: The default position of HN is skepticism

#11
I think it is generally a good thing as long as it's not skepticism for the sake of skepticism, without any substantial argument.

To illustrate this, I've often found myself totally agreeing with an article until I read a rebuttal from an HN comment which helped me put the article in perspective.

Re: The default position of HN is skepticism

#13
I sometimes wonder if there are camps or cliques forming on HN. Sometimes the top voted stories are junk (sorry), and may have been submitted and voted up by Group A users. Group B users then voice their opinion of the submission in the comments, with the best of these negative comments getting voted up.

It would be interesting to see the data and trends behind submission upvoters and comment upvoters.

Re: The default position of HN is skepticism

#16
post #8

In my opinion, this is because there isn't a downvote button on stories. Because there isn't a downvote button on stories, posting a comment that disagrees with the premise of the story has become the de facto "downvote" button. It's easy karma to get, all you have to do is disagree with the sentiment of the post with barely more detail than "no, I disagree". Then, when people come into the comments to argue that the…

How do I downvote this comment? You're disproving my argument ;)

Re: The default position of HN is skepticism

#17
post #5

The community values articulate cleverness, and sometimes folks optimize for this by trying to be more clever than the author of the article under discussion. The easiest way to move community norms is to write the comments you want to see on the site. (I'm trying to be better at this myself.)

You know skepticism is a good thing, but too much of it makes people reluctant to learn and even share things. I just think that an argument is something no one wins. [edit: as arethuza pointed out what I am truly against is cynicism i.e. crab behavior. I know you're wrong because I know what's right and you can't be right because I know I am right. That is exactly the sort of thing that the world doesn't need] So, w…

I think your description of "too much skepticism" is really describing cynicism:

http://chipberlet.blogspot.com/2005/06/skepticism-or-cynicis...

Re: The default position of HN is skepticism

#19
I'd wager this doesn't happen though on things which are truly laid out in front of us as a great idea/ argument/ event that has no perceivable flaw or downside. I think it is healthy to be sceptical by default though otherwise you end up with close enough is good enough. Things that actually need work/ refining are given unreserved praise and that discourages future pieces on the idea.

Interestingly enough if you go onto search yc and check the top submissions ever by karma most of the top comments are what you are looking for more of. The difference there are that some of those posts are defiantly great and don't warrant that level of skepticism.

Re: The default position of HN is skepticism

#20
1) I don't read HN for the stories, I read it for the insight the community brings to a topic. I will often upvote an article that I disagree with, but that still brings up interesting questions. Maybe others do this.

2) Sometimes there is just less to discuss when you agree with a submission, apart from adding your own piece of anecdotal evidence.

3) It's important to challenge ideas and to be able to call bullshit. People are good at that here.

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