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In Japan, there's an industry devoted to cleaning up after people who died alone

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Re: In Japan, there's an industry devoted to cleaning up after people who died alone

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Was that the entirety of the apartment in photos, minus the bathroom? Even by New York standards, that's pretty tiny.

Indeed. Keep in mind that many (most) people living in these apartments use futons - mattresses that can be folded and put away once you’re done sleeping.

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> It was almost as if Hiroaki had never existed.

Bullshit. When I die, if all that is remembered of me are the things in my apartment, then it doesn't really matter if I was alone at the time or who cleans it up.

I'm willing to bet he made a lasting impression on somebody. Friends, coworkers, etc. If not, then having kids or someone living with him wouldn't have mattered.

I definitely get the feeling the message of this article is "make sure you have kids so you don't die alone and forgotten", which is stupid for several reasons.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

in American it's target is people who will die alone and the objective is cleaning up financially. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderl...

That's one of the most disturbing stories I've read in a while. It's unbelievable, felt like I was reading science fiction. I wonder if there are ways to protect oneself in old age from being a victim of that...

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Re: In Japan, there's an industry devoted to cleaning up after people who died alone

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> It was almost as if Hiroaki had never existed. Bullshit. When I die, if all that is remembered of me are the things in my apartment, then it doesn't really matter if I was alone at the time or who cleans it up. I'm willing to bet he made a lasting impression on somebody . Friends, coworkers, etc. If not, then having kids or someone living with him wouldn't have mattered. I definitely get the feeling the message of…

> I'm willing to bet he made a lasting impression on somebody. Friends, coworkers, etc.

Apparently not enough of an impression to carry on the friendship, though, right?

I think the point of the article is that Japanese society has traditionally been very dependent on family and work for all of your social bonding, with much less emphasis on maintaining relationships outside of those two spheres.

If he did have kids, they would likely check up on him more than once a month. It's not guaranteed, of course, but Japanese culture does seem to put more of a weight on that than American culture.

The point of this article isn't "this is how it should be or suffer the consequences", it's "this is how it is, and this is one of the consequences".

Re: In Japan, there's an industry devoted to cleaning up after people who died alone

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Isn’t there one in America also ? Is the market significantly smaller in America ?

in American it's target is people who will die alone and the objective is cleaning up financially. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderl...

This is horrifying.

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Reminds me of this documentary about Sweden. 50% of Swedes live alone, and 25% die alone. Often it takes a long time for someone to notice, as pensions come in to the account automatically, and the rent is also paid automatically. https://www.svtplay.se/video/10458343/the-swedish-theory-of-...

This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Sometimes she just says hey, but most other times she includes other info about her life or asks me questions. Her reasoning was that because she had a cat (at the time), she didn't want to become cat food should she died suddenly.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

in American it's target is people who will die alone and the objective is cleaning up financially. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderl...

That's one of the most disturbing stories I've read in a while. It's unbelievable, felt like I was reading science fiction. I wonder if there are ways to protect oneself in old age from being a victim of that...

Don't live in one of the states with those type of guardianship laws. Probably need to elect a President that will choose a responsible steward for the HHS so that we can actually collect data on what is happening now and act upon it to reform this situation. https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-17-33

Re: In Japan, there's an industry devoted to cleaning up after people who died alone

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Isn’t there one in America also ? Is the market significantly smaller in America ?

in American it's target is people who will die alone and the objective is cleaning up financially. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderl...

The main people in that story were a couple that lived independently and had a daughter that lived 10 minutes away who visited almost every day. That's insane that the guardianship happened.
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