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Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

Yeh, it's only like probably 5 cents for the paper and maybe what, 10 cents for ink. This guy shouldn't charge more than a quarter for this!

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

For this to be special to someone they have to 1) Understand what it is showing, 2) have nostalgia for these video games, and 3) Want art of these things to display for people who will probably not be in groups 1 & 2.

So there is a very small market for these prints, and the artist can charge what they want because they won't really be making this a business anyway.

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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

> I will guarantee that each drawing sold is unique,

Well, you are paying for the uniqueness. Doesn't sound too bad.

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post #2

$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

It's not out of line for other works of similar scope. You don't pay for the materials.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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post #2

$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

For this to be special to someone they have to 1) Understand what it is showing, 2) have nostalgia for these video games, and 3) Want art of these things to display for people who will probably not be in groups 1 & 2. So there is a very small market for these prints, and the artist can charge what they want because they won't really be making this a business anyway.

The market is indeed pretty small. However, I have several rich rich friends who live for this sort of unique item.

They'd probably buy several, frame them nicely and put them in an obvious place in their house. Then when they're entertaining a large VC or banking crowd someone will notice them and ask WTF they are and he'll have a nice story to explain them and how unique they are. Golf claps all around and my buddies will enjoy having something their other rich friends don't; and of course the short lived adoration of his dinner guests, which is almost better than money.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me!

I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it!

https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825

I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away.

A lot of folks asked to buy one, so I made the page that this HN post links to on Sunday night. Within hours Tufte reached out to buy 3 of them! :-o I have 6 other buyers so far as well. So I've been busy fulfilling these requests and trying to figure out shipping and stuff.

Interestingly, about half of the buyers so far are in neuroscience.

http://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/jou...

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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What is going on with Mega Man? The other games look relatively atomic but Mega Man has obvious dependencies spanning memory locations...

Most NES games have separate program and graphics data, stored in 2 physical ROM chips on the cartridge. The CPU and Picture-Processing-Unit (PPU) have separate memory maps; one chip will be mapped into the CPU's area, and one into the PPU's. Some games (like MegaMan and Legend of Zelda) have RAM connected to the PPU, instead of a ROM chip, and the graphics are stored with the program data. This lets the developer store (or generate, like in the game "Elite") images alongside program code, and transfer to the PPU as needed.

So I'd wonder if a pattern like that is characteristic of the game switching transmitting graphic tiles to the PPU.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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post #8
post #2

$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

Bear in mind it is a way to own unique outputs from the creator's own "instrumented" NES emulator. So, as with commercial software, the price reflects the r&d cost. In this case there's also an "art print" aspect to the product. I'm not tempted to buy but I can imagine that selling the prints for less than, say, $50 might create more work fulfilling orders than the guy wants to do & at the same time make the product…

As the creator, I feel this comment best reflects my mindset behind the pricing. In particular, at a lower price I'd be overwhelmed with fulfillment and I'm not interested in that.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For this to be special to someone they have to 1) Understand what it is showing, 2) have nostalgia for these video games, and 3) Want art of these things to display for people who will probably not be in groups 1 & 2. So there is a very small market for these prints, and the artist can charge what they want because they won't really be making this a business anyway.

The market is indeed pretty small. However, I have several rich rich friends who live for this sort of unique item. They'd probably buy several, frame them nicely and put them in an obvious place in their house. Then when they're entertaining a large VC or banking crowd someone will notice them and ask WTF they are and he'll have a nice story to explain them and how unique they are. Golf claps all around and my buddi…

Close, but I imagine the person would struggle to explain the print to their non-techie friends, who pretend to understand. $200 to hear “oh... cool.”
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