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Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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I'm really hoping that we'll have self-driving cars by the time that I reach that stage of life

How will you get in the car? If the car itself was the only problem then Uber solves that. But it's not enough.

I live in an exurban area only about 40 miles outside a major coastal US tech center city. There's minimal Uber around where I live.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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I always get an inkling that buses (like Bolt/Mega/PeterPan) + the existing highway + roads are superior and more scalable than any other type of transportation, dollar for dollar. Why do people push for rail? Self-driving cars obviously can enhance this (the bus idea), but I suspect they will create even more traffic if we insist on having 5 passenger cars be 75% empty. Buses are great because demand can be realloca…

Inkling?

Show your data, please.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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I always get an inkling that buses (like Bolt/Mega/PeterPan) + the existing highway + roads are superior and more scalable than any other type of transportation, dollar for dollar. Why do people push for rail? Self-driving cars obviously can enhance this (the bus idea), but I suspect they will create even more traffic if we insist on having 5 passenger cars be 75% empty. Buses are great because demand can be realloca…

Inkling? Show your data, please.

Err, it's just an idea. y'know, an inkling, a suspicion, impression, etc.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard for a non-American to appreciate just how different their urban environments are compared to the US, and vice versa. It was certainly a shock to me when I first arrived to the USA... "Why is everything so far away? Why does every building have a bunch of empty space around it? (i.e. mandated setbacks)" etc. The lack of real cities is probably my least favorite thing about the USA.

And it's one of my favorite things about the USA. I hate dense European style cities. Different people like different things. The nice thing about the USA is you can pick. You can live anywhere from a remote farm to a dense apartment.

But you don’t really get to pick. Dense European style cities are outlawed in the US. Hell, dense European style suburbs are outlawed here. My pre-zoning code suburb has lots that are less than 3,000 square feet. It’s awesome—easy to walk and you see your neighbors all the time. But it’s completely illegal to build more neighborhoods like mine. The minimum lot size now is more than five times bigger—we have legally mandated suburban sprawl. And there is no justification for it. If people wanted to have big lots, developers would subdivide lots that way. There is no reason to mandate it by law.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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I always get an inkling that buses (like Bolt/Mega/PeterPan) + the existing highway + roads are superior and more scalable than any other type of transportation, dollar for dollar. Why do people push for rail? Self-driving cars obviously can enhance this (the bus idea), but I suspect they will create even more traffic if we insist on having 5 passenger cars be 75% empty. Buses are great because demand can be realloca…

I think the advantage of rail over buses is that rail is faster.

In theory, sure. In practice, they don't go any faster a car is capable of [1]

[1] https://ggwash.org/view/4524/average-schedule-speed-how-does...

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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My grandfather I think just gave up on life after he lost the ability to drive. Taking taxies in St Petersburg, FL in the mid 1990s just sucked. Inconvenient, expensive and slow. I wish he was still alive today and I could give him an Uber/Lyft account.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Another one of those things I have to come to HN and read about the US situation in order to reflect on the situation at home. I never even considered a situation where I’d be ”trapped” at home. It works like this: If you aren’t fit to walk to a bus stop, you get tax subsidized taxi (think it’s about 70 or 80% subsidized).

It's hard for a non-American to appreciate just how different their urban environments are compared to the US, and vice versa. It was certainly a shock to me when I first arrived to the USA... "Why is everything so far away? Why does every building have a bunch of empty space around it? (i.e. mandated setbacks)" etc. The lack of real cities is probably my least favorite thing about the USA.

There is a wide diversity of cities in the US. You can go to places like NYC, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, etc. and see examples of cities with decently dense cores and functional public transit. But then you can go to cities in the South, for example, where it's almost impossible to get around without a car.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will you get in the car? If the car itself was the only problem then Uber solves that. But it's not enough.

I live in an exurban area only about 40 miles outside a major coastal US tech center city. There's minimal Uber around where I live.

You can schedule Ubers ahead of time.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Inkling? Show your data, please.

Err, it's just an idea. y'know, an inkling, a suspicion, impression, etc.

Oh, but you think that's enough to found policy recommendations on? If it's just an inkling with no data to back it up, maybe keep it to yourself?
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