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Re: Swift Forums

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Post by kbenson »

roblabla wrote: post #6
ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

The old title was "Official Swift forums switch to Discourse," or something along those lines. The current title ("Swift Forums") tells you nothing . Aside: I detest Discourse. It is an abomination of good ideas mated to horrible UX by developers and designers too caught up in drinking their own koolaid to understand that most people do _not_ live in Discourse and expect the website to act the same way every other we…

meta: I noticed titles getting changed to something nonsensical more and more often on Hacker News. The current title is absolutely ridiculous, as it provides no value. I know that the title is supposed to match the submission, but there are cases where a custom title makes much more sense, and provides a lot more value to the community.

In this case, a link to the announcement post[1] would have been a better submission, and the title of that post is "Welcome to the Swift Forums". It's not perfect, but that, combines with the first sentence or two from the post gives a pretty clear indication of why someone might consider it noteworthy (it's a new forum), although others I'm sure would not.

1: https://forums.swift.org/t/welcome-to-the-swift-forums/8

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by always_good »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #4
Kpourdeilami wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like discourse [0] to me which is an open source ruby forum software 0: https://github.com/discourse/discourse

Damn, I was hoping they dog-fooded some server-side swift. I was just interested in seeing a larger server-side swift project not the actual forums themselves. Thank you for the link, though.

Forums are such a massive undertaking that these days I consider it irresponsible to roll your own unless you are building a seriously novel integration.

Building a large exploratory project in Swift and having a robust place to have technical conversations should be two different projects.

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by mattnewton »

adamnemecek wrote: post #9
ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

The old title was "Official Swift forums switch to Discourse," or something along those lines. The current title ("Swift Forums") tells you nothing . Aside: I detest Discourse. It is an abomination of good ideas mated to horrible UX by developers and designers too caught up in drinking their own koolaid to understand that most people do _not_ live in Discourse and expect the website to act the same way every other we…

Ok what do you like then? PHPBB (or similar)? A mailing list? A FB group? BBS?

Yes. Or a nice slack clone.

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by pier25 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

The old title was "Official Swift forums switch to Discourse," or something along those lines. The current title ("Swift Forums") tells you nothing . Aside: I detest Discourse. It is an abomination of good ideas mated to horrible UX by developers and designers too caught up in drinking their own koolaid to understand that most people do _not_ live in Discourse and expect the website to act the same way every other we…

> Hijacking `ctrl+f` in a webpage should reserve a special spot in hell for the person that decided it was a good idea

Yes that is a terrible idea.

Also since I experienced nested comments on HN and Reddit I find the old forum format quite a step backwards.

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by pier25 »

adamnemecek wrote: post #9
ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

The old title was "Official Swift forums switch to Discourse," or something along those lines. The current title ("Swift Forums") tells you nothing . Aside: I detest Discourse. It is an abomination of good ideas mated to horrible UX by developers and designers too caught up in drinking their own koolaid to understand that most people do _not_ live in Discourse and expect the website to act the same way every other we…

Ok what do you like then? PHPBB (or similar)? A mailing list? A FB group? BBS?

Create a subreddit. Done.

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by yokohummer7 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

The old title was "Official Swift forums switch to Discourse," or something along those lines. The current title ("Swift Forums") tells you nothing . Aside: I detest Discourse. It is an abomination of good ideas mated to horrible UX by developers and designers too caught up in drinking their own koolaid to understand that most people do _not_ live in Discourse and expect the website to act the same way every other we…

> Hijacking `ctrl+f` in a webpage should reserve a special spot in hell for the person that decided it was a good idea

But they do it for a good reason. IIRC Discourse does not load all the contents initially so your conventional Ctrl+F won't work correctly. Mind you, I also hate the hijack, but in this case I decided to bear with the unfortunate reality.

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by mikewhy »

pier25 wrote: post #16
adamnemecek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok what do you like then? PHPBB (or similar)? A mailing list? A FB group? BBS?

Create a subreddit. Done.

Reddit automatically locks old posts doesn't it? While necro bumps in forum threads can always be a problem, it isn't inherently one.

Re: Swift Forums

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Post by ken »

yokohummer7 wrote: post #17
ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

The old title was "Official Swift forums switch to Discourse," or something along those lines. The current title ("Swift Forums") tells you nothing . Aside: I detest Discourse. It is an abomination of good ideas mated to horrible UX by developers and designers too caught up in drinking their own koolaid to understand that most people do _not_ live in Discourse and expect the website to act the same way every other we…

> Hijacking `ctrl+f` in a webpage should reserve a special spot in hell for the person that decided it was a good idea But they do it for a good reason. IIRC Discourse does not load all the contents initially so your conventional Ctrl+F won't work correctly. Mind you, I also hate the hijack, but in this case I decided to bear with the unfortunate reality.

That seems like premature optimization, to me. For example, on the meta page linked above, if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page, it downloads two more JSON documents totaling 55 KB, for all the comments. The page itself is 3.6 MB.

By lazy-loading the rest of the comments, it makes standard browser features like searching and scrolling not work right, yet the bandwidth savings of the initial page load is <2%. You'd have to have a lot of comments on a single page before the cost of simply downloading them all became significant.

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