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Your recruiter is not your friend

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Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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This is a lead gen website / SEO spam, exposed by this gem halfway down the page: “I’m a salary negotiation expert. My goal is to maximize my clients’ salaries with simple, proven salary negotiation tactics.” Which is hilarious really

I think there’s a lot of solid advice in these posts, and they aren’t clickbaiting into buying anything. Check out the article about not disclosing salary, I liked that one a lot.

Could you explain why it’s such a problem to disclose what he does?

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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I don’t get the dislike for recruiters?

I use them to boost my salary when asked how much I’m making. I say 1/4 more then reality. From there they boost their offer.

Why not use recruiters to give yourself a big fat raise? They are after all coming after you.

Only downside of recruiters for me has been they are distracting and blow up your ego thinking you can find any job. Yet their offerings are only prospective.

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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post #12

Asking OP, what market do you work in? Government? Finance? Tech? Health? And in what city?

I'm currently a salary negotiation coach, and most of my clients are in tech (Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, some smaller tech companies). In my previous life, I was a project manager and consultant in the HR Software industry. I live in Florida, but have worked for companies based in Florida, California, Indiana.

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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I don’t get the dislike for recruiters? I use them to boost my salary when asked how much I’m making. I say 1/4 more then reality. From there they boost their offer. Why not use recruiters to give yourself a big fat raise? They are after all coming after you. Only downside of recruiters for me has been they are distracting and blow up your ego thinking you can find any job. Yet their offerings are only prospective.

I'm not sure if all... but some recruiters/recruiting co's get the difference between your salary, and what the company are offering to pay... as a bonus.. so its usually in their interests to not get you the best wage.

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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post #12

Asking OP, what market do you work in? Government? Finance? Tech? Health? And in what city?

I'm currently a salary negotiation coach, and most of my clients are in tech (Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, some smaller tech companies). In my previous life, I was a project manager and consultant in the HR Software industry. I live in Florida, but have worked for companies based in Florida, California, Indiana.

The reason why I ask is because in Washington, D.C, at least in tech, it's almost impossible to get a job in this area without going through a recruiter. So how would you go about dealing with them in an unable to avoid situation?

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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I don’t get the dislike for recruiters? I use them to boost my salary when asked how much I’m making. I say 1/4 more then reality. From there they boost their offer. Why not use recruiters to give yourself a big fat raise? They are after all coming after you. Only downside of recruiters for me has been they are distracting and blow up your ego thinking you can find any job. Yet their offerings are only prospective.

I don't dislike recruiters at all. They're making a living helping place people in jobs - that's a useful thing to do. But it's important to distinguish "placing people in jobs" from "looking at for the best interests of those people by getting them the best compensation package possible".

It's important to take agency of the salary conversation because it can be so valuable for the candidate to handle that and maximize salary. Unfortunately, maximizing salary often conflicts with the recruiters' goal of placing as many people as possible as fast as possible.

Thanks for the question and for giving me a chance to clarify!

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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I don’t get the dislike for recruiters? I use them to boost my salary when asked how much I’m making. I say 1/4 more then reality. From there they boost their offer. Why not use recruiters to give yourself a big fat raise? They are after all coming after you. Only downside of recruiters for me has been they are distracting and blow up your ego thinking you can find any job. Yet their offerings are only prospective.

One distasteful interaction I've had with recruiters went as follows: I stated that only a significant (+20%) raise to my salary would incentivize me to leave my current company, and the recruiter said I would never amount to anything in this field if all I cared about was money. I think she was just angry she couldn't get cheap hires for her clients.

Re: Your recruiter is not your friend

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm currently a salary negotiation coach, and most of my clients are in tech (Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, some smaller tech companies). In my previous life, I was a project manager and consultant in the HR Software industry. I live in Florida, but have worked for companies based in Florida, California, Indiana.

The reason why I ask is because in Washington, D.C, at least in tech, it's almost impossible to get a job in this area without going through a recruiter. So how would you go about dealing with them in an unable to avoid situation?

If you MUST work with a recruiter (staffing firm, for example), I think it's important to be firm that you're excited for good opportunities, but that your salary history and expectations are your private business. I also recommend going around the recruiters whenever possible by using your own network (people who work at the company or in the industry who can make phone calls to put you in touch with the company directly).
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