OK, it passed the House. Now the fight moves to the Senate. Anybody have any insight on whether it will fly through there, or whether there is a chance of derailing it?
House Votes to Renew Surveillance Law, Rejecting New Privacy Limits
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#12USA, the land of the monitored.
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#13I had a discussion with my mother regarding surveillance and privacy and how they relate to safety. I feel like she understands that surveillance when used in a nefarious manner can be detrimental to individual freedoms, but is pro surveillance regardless. This is because she believes that the benefits of keeping others safe outweighs the potential for misuse. How can I help her understand why people fight for privac…
You can't. Most people will choose safety over freedom every single time.
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#14The President actually tweeted two incompatible positions this morning. Guess they picked the one they wanted.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, it’s not that bleak. You just need to have the knowledge to control your own privacy rather than relying on the government to have your back. Really the bad part is that most people don’t know about or how to use technology to protect their privacy :-/
> rather than relying on the government to have your back What's the purpose of having a government again?
Social Security + Medicare + Medicaid is 50% of the federal budget. Defense is another 17%. So the purpose of the government is mostly income redistribution and defense.
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#16I had a discussion with my mother regarding surveillance and privacy and how they relate to safety. I feel like she understands that surveillance when used in a nefarious manner can be detrimental to individual freedoms, but is pro surveillance regardless. This is because she believes that the benefits of keeping others safe outweighs the potential for misuse. How can I help her understand why people fight for privac…
Let her realize how monitoring and surveillance can be used to turns our private life, kinks and private stuff against ourselves to prevent is from expressing our freedom and potentially to enslave us.
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#17I had a discussion with my mother regarding surveillance and privacy and how they relate to safety. I feel like she understands that surveillance when used in a nefarious manner can be detrimental to individual freedoms, but is pro surveillance regardless. This is because she believes that the benefits of keeping others safe outweighs the potential for misuse. How can I help her understand why people fight for privac…
Just phase it this way:
Imagine if the party in power used state surveillance to monitor their opponent and the people who support them. The whole infrastructure is turn-key authoritarian, there's literally nothing logistical stopping this, only a handshake agreement not to.
This should concern people regardless of their political affiliation or party loyalty.
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#18OK, it passed the House. Now the fight moves to the Senate. Anybody have any insight on whether it will fly through there, or whether there is a chance of derailing it?
I could maybe see Sen Wyden trying to stop it, he's been pretty good on things like this lately, but I bet there are enough pro-surveillance Democrats (Feinstein, etc.) to overcome any potential filibuster.
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#19The President actually tweeted two incompatible positions this morning. Guess they picked the one they wanted.
Paul Ryan, in his press conference this morning[1], said that the President "has concerns about the Domestic FISA law".
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#20Turmp should be happy about this, it will be useful in cracking down on citizens and opponents who criticize him.
> Turmp should be happy about this To be fair, Trump is hardly the the first President to seek renewal of such laws. > useful in cracking down on citizens and opponents who criticize him. There were multiple reports about "Dark Side" yesterday - https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dark-side-federal-unit-... What could possibly go wrong.....
He opposed it according to the article.