Other countries need to reciprocate this action. If you're a Chinese company and you collect user data, that data will be managed by a third party company that is owned by the host nation and if you don't like it, you have to leave the country. This should be a retaliatory measure. There's no reason Chinese companies should get to gobble up Dutch data or something and then inevitably use that for spam and scam, and then cry foul about some other company gathering user data about Chinese users. I don't have an issue with China, but when they do these types of things, then I believe other countries should reciprocate the action. China can either play fair, or lose access to other international markets and just sell products locally to China.
Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
While you're not wrong, this strikes me as the cost of doing business in China. For comparison, AWS and Azure both operate under local partners in China. e: "strikes me as" == "is"; it's not really optional.
Because the options are either do that or exit the country unfortunately.
Precisely my point, but thanks for clarifying. The subtext I guess is that in my view it's worthwhile for Apple, even if I have personal qualms about the privacy implications. Then again, I would assume this won't affect non-Chinese region Apple/iCloud users.
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#14IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.
I disagree.
Apple has always made clear that information stored on their iCloud service were subject accesses by a third party with the proper authority. Whether this third party is US or Chinese does not change anything.
Only the information that is resident on your phone with the Secure Enclave is tamper resistant.
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#15Much as I hate Trump, I'd love for him to do something about China. If China won't open their tech markets maybe we force them to.
PS: don't make this a Trump hate sub thread. Stay on topic if you reply to me
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#16In Europe we need to do like in China. Or our tech industry is doomed to stay small...
Protectionism isn’t going to make your tech industry globally competitive.
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#17Money trumps principles plain and simple. My guess is this will continue until the day Apple sales in China decline below a certain level, then they’ll be a ‘brave, principled’ decision announced that they are shutting down iCloud in China or withdrawing from the market altogether.
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#18In Europe we need to do like in China. Or our tech industry is doomed to stay small...
Protectionism isn’t going to make your tech industry globally competitive.
No, but who cares? Tencent, Baido, etc are not globally competitive, but they are very fine.
You know what else is not going to make European tech industry globally competitive? The chronic lack of money, because it's all siphoned away by google, amazon, apple, and such. Do we need a global competition? Why?
An internal competition in a huge market is good enough. China encouraged the development of a strong internal market: and they are innovating like crazy. Europe is big enough to do the same.
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#19IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.
What course of action would you prefer: Willingly shut down iCloud in China or have iCloud forcefully shut down in China?
I'd prefer that China allow its citizens to freely access the global internet.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
What course of action would you prefer: Willingly shut down iCloud in China or have iCloud forcefully shut down in China?
I'd prefer that China allow its citizens to freely access the global internet.
I think(I hope) as more people in China come online they will realize that they are missing out.