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The free opportunities I found don't have the structure and leadership of a real company. I want to learn from more senior devs instead of having me be the only dev.
What I mean is seek to volunteer work at real companies rather than paying them. You may be learning but it sounds like you have some knowledge so you should still be providing them with some value.
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#12Spend these 7 months and $10k learning more and building a portfolio, you'll get much more out of it than you could from a job.
Go to udemy, pickup a few good node/react courses(google a coupon to get them for $10-$15), and you will have expert engineers, who are also expert teachers, spending hundreds of hours guiding you through the process of building projects for your portfolio.
What can you possibly get out of "real work experience" that would be more valuable than that?
Build a kickass portfolio, have a github account you can use to showoff your code. It will make you way more hireable than "work experience".
Here are my recommendations on where to start:
https://startuplab.io/post/fullstack-web-development-roadmap
Specifically, I highly recommend courses by Stephen Grider and Andrew Mead. They are absolutely incredible in quality, will teach you everything you need, and are based on real practical projects.
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#13I completely disagree with these other developers. I made it the hard way doing what they are suggesting - taught myself how to program, what SQL was, then JS, php, java, finally rails and ruby, scrounged for work, struggled on my own for years to figure out how to actually build robust software. And now a decade later, I'm an expert, confident and finally doing what I want to do all the time.
So sure there are some benefits that come with that approach - but if I had to do it over again, and had the funds to do so, I would have just done what you are wanting to do. Find a good senior developer/mentor, in an area that I'm really interested in, pay them to train me and give me the work to build an excellent portfolio and get the necessary real world work experience to land the exact job I want to do. Heck 10k for 7 months isn't bad at all, that's a great deal for you. You learn the whole development process, gain the work experience and will get a job making bank in less than a year - that's a nice ROI, much better than most CS degrees.
Also the superhuman discipline it requires to teach yourself everything from scratch while building an extensive portfolio is tough.
Anyway, If you'd like I'd be glad to talk to you and help you out with anything you need, so just reach out my email is in my profile.
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#14Nope, please do not do that, as other say.
You have 10K and 7 months.
- Find some part time gig (may be teach HTML, CSS) at local community college - 2, 3 hours: pays you something and you are not completely using up your funds. You have some knowledge and we always underestimate our knowledge to be poor and useless to the rest of all. Ironical in that, we go try and find a job with the same knowledge! So be confident that you can make some income with what knowledge you have right know.
- Write 6 apps in 6 months, extremely scoped, solving simple problems, I will offer one example:
-- Write an app, that teaches 2000 most commonly used English words. There is a photo for that word, the spelling and sound. The user is shown the photo, he picks the correct word. If app shows the word, pick the right photo. The user starts a session, selects number of words to learn/review, show the words randomly. Next upgrade: you can talk about expanding this to use Retention algorithms in the interview.
-- Rinse, lather, repeat 5 more apps
- Once your 1st app is ready, go to meet ups, local groups etc where you can do some self marketing with your portfolio, every month 1 more app is getting added to your portfolio. Upload your resume and portfolio on job boards, keep applying.With some thoughtful planning of a part time gig, 6 portfolio apps, self marketing should keep you busy. Yes, don't forget to sleep, eat correct and exercise.
Hope this helps, this is just what I would probably do. Best.
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#15Why don't you use that $10,000 to start your own company. You can then give all those HR people the finger, like they deserve.
My coding skills is not at that level yet where I can be my own CTO.
I will be more than happy to help you if you need some mentoring (I live in NYC). I've been a developer for over a decade.
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#16Hi there, I completely disagree with these other developers. I made it the hard way doing what they are suggesting - taught myself how to program, what SQL was, then JS, php, java, finally rails and ruby, scrounged for work, struggled on my own for years to figure out how to actually build robust software. And now a decade later, I'm an expert, confident and finally doing what I want to do all the time. So sure there…
The fact of the matter is that when you have a lot of free time, you will likely end up frittering much of it away. If you absolutely adore programming and working on projects, then sure, you may spend those months productively, but not everyone can count on that. So it very much helps to have some external pressure — in the form of a job or a mentor — to help you push beyond limits that you might not choose to cross on your own.
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#17As others have suggested - take more courses, try to do some contracting, and volunteer for a non-profit.
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#18- Buy $5k worth of raspberry pi’s
- Spend a month there teaching everyone the basics of what you learned
- Blog and video blog about it.
Come back to NY and get hired right away.
Does anyone see a flaw in any of this?
ps - what’s your race got to do with anything?
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#19- Buy a ticket to Nigeria $1.5k - Buy $5k worth of raspberry pi’s - Spend a month there teaching everyone the basics of what you learned - Blog and video blog about it. Come back to NY and get hired right away. Does anyone see a flaw in any of this? ps - what’s your race got to do with anything?
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#20If you want a position where you will be working on real things and want lots of input from a senior person, then that probably means them spending at least 1 hour per day working with you directly. That’s about 140 hours over 7 months. At a company cost of $200/hour (minimum in NYC) for a senior developer, this translates to $28,000 of company cost.
Why would a company agree to $18000 out of pocket cost in your scenario vs $28000 in an unpaid intern position? I posit that, perhaps, the type of company that would cover $18k cost but not $28k may not be the type of company you want to intern with.
Personally I wouldn’t want to hire someone in this way. I’d rather real internship or no internship because I’d be concerned about mixed messages.
Have you considered a change of location and finding a real internship?
Also remember all this is free internet advice. You have no obligation to agree with any of it.