I wish Google was more outspoken about their plans for Fuchsia. So far, all we have is a lot of speculation.
I think they don't know themselves what will become of it. It's more a research project similarly to Midori.
The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
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Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#12Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
Personally I think it has more to do with Licensing, Google has long opposed GPL and user freedom
They support Developer Centric Opensource, they do not support User Centric Free Software
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#13Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
Elementary is the OS you're looking for: https://elementary.io
I wish it had more adoption. Right now there are not a lot of apps written using it's UI guidelines/framework as most projects are worried about portability and/or have moved to Electron. It is slowly getting better though, and seems to be developing an ecosystem geared towards quality as OSX used to be: https://medium.com/elementaryos/appcenter-spotlight-2017-wra...
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#14Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
One feature that differentiates Linux from other systems is the sheer amount of choice that you get.
For example, with Linux I can choose GNOME, KDE, a selection of other desktop environments, or I can choose a simple window manager like twm and sort of roll my own environment. Or maybe I could set my system up so that it runs without a window manager and just gives me a full-screen emacs environment.
With Mac OS, for example, someone else made all of the choices and I have to live with them.
What Google is doing will probably end up getting pretty close to your vision, but I suspect that the end result will be very similar to Android - a system that's technically Linux at its core, but where all of the choices have been made for you.
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#15Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
Control is all of it. Security on Android is a joke for 80%+ of users. They can't run on the latest version of Android, because various vendors' drivers are in out-of-tree kernel patches that are un-upstreamable for non-technical reasons. (By comparison, Chrome OS is also Linux-based, but, IIRC, it requires all shipping devices to have drivers upstreamed.) Owning an OS with a stable device driver ABI would allow Goog…
Wouldn't treble fix the Android fragmentation problem ? Why is this needed/better ?
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#16Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
One feature that differentiates Linux from other systems is the sheer amount of choice that you get. For example, with Linux I can choose GNOME, KDE, a selection of other desktop environments, or I can choose a simple window manager like twm and sort of roll my own environment. Or maybe I could set my system up so that it runs without a window manager and just gives me a full-screen emacs environment. With Mac OS, fo…
This wide choice is actually putting Linux at disadvantage: instead of consolidating efforts to create one decent desktop environment we have half a dozen of half-assed ones.
God, I've just recently have to downgrade to Gnome 3.24, because the latest 3.26 version kept crashing with the segfault error few times a day.
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#17Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
One feature that differentiates Linux from other systems is the sheer amount of choice that you get. For example, with Linux I can choose GNOME, KDE, a selection of other desktop environments, or I can choose a simple window manager like twm and sort of roll my own environment. Or maybe I could set my system up so that it runs without a window manager and just gives me a full-screen emacs environment. With Mac OS, fo…
> One feature that differentiates Linux from other systems is the sheer amount of choice that you get.
It's a difference but not necessarily a feature if, as a user, you don't have the background to make informed and safe decisions about those choices.
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#18I wish Google was more outspoken about their plans for Fuchsia. So far, all we have is a lot of speculation.
It’s entirely open source (including development and roadmap documents).
Do you mean their product vision? If so, why does it matter when it already exists?
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#19Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
Here’s a list of syscalls: https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror/magenta/blob/master/docs/s...
Re: The Pixelbook is being used to test Google's Fuchsia OS
#20Aside from control, what does this provide over Linux? IMO, the Linux desktop problem is due partially to relying on the antiquated X Windows system, but mostly a lack of funding a good vision, e.g. Unity. After growing up with OpenLook, then Motif, the plethora of Linux window managers, and unhappy years with Windows, I noticed most of the elegant apps were being written for OSX. I’m not sure how much of this is due…
Elementary is the OS you're looking for: https://elementary.io I wish it had more adoption. Right now there are not a lot of apps written using it's UI guidelines/framework as most projects are worried about portability and/or have moved to Electron. It is slowly getting better though, and seems to be developing an ecosystem geared towards quality as OSX used to be: https://medium.com/elementaryos/appcenter-spotlight…
I wish more distros would start supplying packages for Pantheon. I'm not interested in a distro that forks Ubuntu LTS + specially patched packages (because Gnome3 refuses to merge changes that fix problems, but only really benefit non-Gnome3 desktops (completely against the spirit of open source and GNU + FDO)), but I would love it to be based on a distro that is kept up to date (such as Debian or Arch).