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Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Barrin92 »

danjoc wrote: post #10
Barrin92 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.

>yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. Freedom of the Press, to those who own the presses. It's always been that way. >What a facetious and despicable comment. If I was responding to a comment about promoting alt-right ideology, it would be +1000 internets for sure. Same response, Facebook's business. You want to promote alt-right, s…

This is simply not true. First off you're applying American sets of values to the entire world, a lot of countries take the access to information just as serious as the rights of distribution, and even within the US there has never been a situation in history where a single publisher controlled 96% of the news access to large parts of the population.

This kind of monopolisation of information, in the US largely spread up between Facebook and Google, is entirely new, and it was once commonly accepted that situations like this have no place in a market economy or a civil society.

Now apparently it seems legitimate that this monopoly position is used to leverage power against marginalised populations in foreign countries under the guise of 'they have the right to do whatever they want'. This is intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by doggydogs94 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #7
danjoc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Facebook's business. They can run it any way they want. You want to promote Palestinian civil rights? Start your own Facebook.

yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.

In that case, you can help them secure the capital.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by [deleted] »

lostlogin wrote: post #3
inglor wrote: post #2

Facebook is deleting accounts that violate its ToS, governments (not just the US and Israeli ones) report accounts that constitute a violation of their laws all the time and Facebook removes those. Common examples are pages promoting illegal activities in a country - like drug dealing, weapons trade etc.

Or promoting Palestinian civil rights. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/facebook-targeting-pal...

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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Barrin92 »

doggydogs94 wrote: post #12
Barrin92 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.

In that case, you can help them secure the capital.

The problem isn't just capital in the sense of fiat currency, the problem is that they have no state and no rule of law, no incorporation into the global economy either formally or factually. There is no real way to even operate a global or local industry without the basic requirements, they are excluded from the rest of the world.

There isn't a single serious facebook competitor in the entire United States. Please don't pretend that this is somehow a serious suggestion for a region like Palestine. They are entirely dependent on the digital and analog infrastructure surrounding them due to the circumstances they find themselves in.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by caseysoftware »

MollyR wrote: post #15

Not surprising. What is surprising is why more world governments don't aggressively clamp down and fine facebook.

According to the article, 96% of Palestinian Facebook users primarily use it to get news.

So why clamp down and fine if you can threaten to fine and help shape what is displayed to who? It seems like a much more effective approach since there are few other sites, sources, etc that everyone visits.

At that point, it comes down to who has the biggest hammer or budget.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by prove_np »

It sad to see such an article in the top posts at HW... I wouldn't even bother to reply if not for good people getting the wrong picture on what's going on. Yes, Facebook does delete posts (Nothing new so far), though only ones which violate Facebook's rules. I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. I'm not here to blame, nor generalize. I'm saying that this case is nothing special, but rather any other case of posts violating Facebook's rules only in a larger scale and at a specific target, Israel. For what it's worth, the hatred being published about Israel does not go the other way around. I, and many others, do respect and have no hate for Palestinians. We do have some radicals though, but just like in any other society. The sad part of the story is we get casualties on a daily-basis. Almost every week you hear of a terror attack in any part of the country. Most of the attackers are of young age, some of them even take advantage of their youth for lighter punishments. Both sides are losing people, no doubt. But at the end of the day, what's happening is chaos in our streets being done by /any person/ from the other side who feels like it and go on a killing-spree and yet we get slandered over false accusations on the Internet which pictures a wrong description of the situation. I've yet to witness the same brutality being manifested against us the Israelis but to Palestinians on the streets. I wouldn't go talking about IDF besides saying you would laugh if you knew how many restrictions an IDF solider has in any situations /even if his life is in danger/. TLDR; Do not believe /everything/ you read on the internet. Regardless of the publisher's reputation.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by goatsi »

prove_np wrote: post #17

It sad to see such an article in the top posts at HW... I wouldn't even bother to reply if not for good people getting the wrong picture on what's going on. Yes, Facebook does delete posts (Nothing new so far), though only ones which violate Facebook's rules. I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. I'm not here to blame, nor generalize. I'm saying that this…

>For what it's worth, the hatred being published about Israel does not go the other way around. I, and many others, do respect and have no hate for Palestinians.

The article does disagree with that view.

>As Al Jazeera reported last year, “Inflammatory speech posted in the Hebrew language . . . has attracted much less attention from the Israeli authorities and Facebook. One study found that ‘122,000 users directly called for violence with words like ‘murder’, ‘kill’, or ‘burn.’ Arabs were the No 1 recipients of hateful comments. Yet there appears to be little effort by Facebook to censor any of that.”

Have you noticed comments like this? Have you ever seen them deleted or Israeli accounts suspended for hateful language?

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by int_19h »

danjoc wrote: post #6
lostlogin wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or promoting Palestinian civil rights. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/facebook-targeting-pal...

It's Facebook's business. They can run it any way they want. You want to promote Palestinian civil rights? Start your own Facebook.

They can run it any way they want, yes. And we can expose their motives for doing it one way and not the other, and treat them accordingly.
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