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Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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I'm reminded of an excellent book detailing the US's own interference with Russian cables 30 years back: https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Mans-Bluff-Submarine-Espionage/...

The best story surrounding this was a mole who was identified via taps on Russian cables. They were unwilling to prosecute him for fear of tipping off the Russians so he got off and was used to funnel disinformation.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously doubt that a full-scale military assault on Russia is 1) going to be productive in the long run and 2) really not justified just to protect a cable. Given the ultra-big egos of donald and vladmir, any act that one might interpret as an assault would very likely result in massive amounts of firepower launching at civilian targets. Maybe I'm alone in accepting some spotting internet connection to Europe vs…

The problem from a game-theoretic point of view is that if your opponent believes you won't retaliate over something small, they can just keep nibbling small chunks. Better to have the public believe that you're super territorial and will react violently to the slightest provocation. I think Vlad and Donnie know this and incorporate it into their public images, which is part of the reason you describe them as "ultra-…

But it's probably not necessary to shake a big military stick at every problem. That's been a consistent response throughout most of human history, and it rarely ends well for the folks that are not on top.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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post #8

I'm reminded of an excellent book detailing the US's own interference with Russian cables 30 years back: https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Mans-Bluff-Submarine-Espionage/...

The best story surrounding this was a mole who was identified via taps on Russian cables. They were unwilling to prosecute him for fear of tipping off the Russians so he got off and was used to funnel disinformation.

My favorite part was that the Russians detected our undersea tap, found it, and put it in a Moscow museum complete with the stamp "Property of United States Government."

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

#14
post #7

Non-oceanic internet distribution might mitigate concerns raised in the article. [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

Will be quite awhile before that is as cheap and has as much bandwidth as those cables. The other disadvantage(s) is/are broadcasting your communication emissions in open air, weather or otherwise other types of interference (naturally occurring or deliberate).

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Does anyone know if the data flowing across cables like these is typically encrypted? Does the infrastructure itself provide any defense against a submarine hacking into a cable and installing a device that can monitor traffic?

I would hope that the infrastructure could add its own encryption across the link to defend against unauthorized interception.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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post #2

If only the Internet was resistant to losing connections. I guess all we can do is give these guys more money to defend us from the big bad bear with a military that is a tiny fraction of ours.

I seriously doubt that a full-scale military assault on Russia is 1) going to be productive in the long run and 2) really not justified just to protect a cable. Given the ultra-big egos of donald and vladmir, any act that one might interpret as an assault would very likely result in massive amounts of firepower launching at civilian targets. Maybe I'm alone in accepting some spotting internet connection to Europe vs…

The better question is why the media is starting to distract you over there in USA with UFOs and Russians again.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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post #7

Non-oceanic internet distribution might mitigate concerns raised in the article. [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

I don't think wireless technology will ever be able to compete with fiber for bandwidth. You can cram incredible amounts of data through glass. It's on the order of Petabits/second for a single strand.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously doubt that a full-scale military assault on Russia is 1) going to be productive in the long run and 2) really not justified just to protect a cable. Given the ultra-big egos of donald and vladmir, any act that one might interpret as an assault would very likely result in massive amounts of firepower launching at civilian targets. Maybe I'm alone in accepting some spotting internet connection to Europe vs…

The better question is why the media is starting to distract you over there in USA with UFOs and Russians again.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-revenge/

Because it's not a distraction.

...well...the UFOs thing is...

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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post #17
post #7

Non-oceanic internet distribution might mitigate concerns raised in the article. [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

I don't think wireless technology will ever be able to compete with fiber for bandwidth. You can cram incredible amounts of data through glass. It's on the order of Petabits/second for a single strand.

Free space OAM communications perhaps?

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

#20
post #15

Does anyone know if the data flowing across cables like these is typically encrypted? Does the infrastructure itself provide any defense against a submarine hacking into a cable and installing a device that can monitor traffic? I would hope that the infrastructure could add its own encryption across the link to defend against unauthorized interception.

Typically not.
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