I would guess that it would be exactly the area where hunter submarines will be roaming.
Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
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Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#12Due to projection distortions, the size of the area was visually misleading. An area-maintaining projection would be a more accurate way to communicate this data. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection#Projections_b...
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#13What is the purpose of publishing information like this? At best, it’s trivia, at worst it provides advantage to a rogue nuclear power with active concentration camps.
In that case, I hope we're also embargoing Tom Clancy, Michael DiMercurio, and Patrick Robinson paperbacks from said rogue state.
Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#14What is the purpose of publishing information like this? At best, it’s trivia, at worst it provides advantage to a rogue nuclear power with active concentration camps.
Which rogue nuclear power with active concentration camps do you have in mind? The USA?
I think the person is referring to North Korea - which has active concentration camps.
Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
You honestly think that such a "rogue nuclear power with active concentration camps" couldn't figure this out on their own?
Yes
Why? It's all public information. And the sense I've gotten is that the North Korean engineers overall seem competent, they just lack resources.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
You honestly think that such a "rogue nuclear power with active concentration camps" couldn't figure this out on their own?
Yes
they can develop a fully-fledged nuclear program with ICBMs and hydrogen bombs but they can't scour public resources about launch detection systems
Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#17The title is very misleading. This just talks about Earth coverage of missile launch detection system according to publicly available information. This has nothing to do with detecting submarines.
presumably the reason you would have IR satellites looking for launch plumes in the middle of the ocean is in fact to detect submarine-based launches
Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#18"Asking for a friend."
I wonder if you could social engineer that. So when you start 'asking for a friend' you don't go with the major item that makes someone think 'wow this must be for him'. You start with lesser items and over time build up to the thing you want 'for the friend'. Hence tenderizing the target and making them less likely to question why you are asking. Because they already 'know you'.
I was trying to explain to my wife the concept. The example that I used was the person who wants the retail store password. They don't call the store and say over the phone 'hey I am at the Global Mall Store and forgot my password can I have yours?'. Immediate red flag. They start with something simpler and build a reputation as legit. Something like 'hey I am at the Global Mall Store are they saying you have to work until 7pm on Christmas also?' [1]
[1] Then follow that up with other requests over weeks finally culminating the 'password' question.
Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#19The title is very misleading. This just talks about Earth coverage of missile launch detection system according to publicly available information. This has nothing to do with detecting submarines.
presumably the reason you would have IR satellites looking for launch plumes in the middle of the ocean is in fact to detect submarine-based launches
The deployment of submarines is rather orthogonal to the coverage by early detection warnings. Detection is not helpful if the flight time of missile is less then reaction time. So one wants to deploy close to US coast line irrespective of detection coverage. Besides, launching from South Pacific means US will have plenty of time to detect the warhead with normal radars.
Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?
#20> Where would you direct your submarine, and where would you best fire you missiles, from the perspective of an as-late-as-possible space-based detection of your missile launches?
Honest question - is this the function you'd be optimizing for? What are the implications of earlier space-based detection of a launch? Presumably fast detection of a launch plume would help you find and hunt down the sub, but at that point the missiles are already in the air. I would think that the more important factor is where to hide to minimize chance of detection prior to the launch.