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Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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In 2019 SpaceX should start deploying their satellite constellation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_satellite_constellation

Round trip to a satellite will never rival fiber. Especially the way modern web apps are built inefficiently

Could you expand on this? Do you think latency is the limiting factor for a LEO network?

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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I just loaded this article on my mobile device. An ad on the website triggered with auto playing audio that stopped background media playback of my device. I class these type of ads as a type of vermin, and generally avoid any website that contains them. Why should I trust an organisation that chooses to run user hostile ads on their site line this to make a better internet?

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Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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MuniFiber.com. Towns are slowly rolling their own fiber to the home. This is one answer to breaking cable monopolies.

edit:

Apologies, muninetworks.org is the true website. I've been reading way too much about FTTH obviously and partially substituted the website name :)

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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I just loaded this article on my mobile device. An ad on the website triggered with auto playing audio that stopped background media playback of my device. I class these type of ads as a type of vermin, and generally avoid any website that contains them. Why should I trust an organisation that chooses to run user hostile ads on their site line this to make a better internet?

This is a literal ad hominem fallacy. Whether someone is honest or good doesn't have any bearing on any individual statement's veracity. A statement is true or false regardless of who says it. Additionally the article was written by an author who is not responsible for the advertisements, or really any actions of this establishment which are entirely outside of their control.

All being said, yeah that sounds horrible, and you probably shouldn't trust them as they are a for profit, but that's not an argument as to whether they are wrong or not.

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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post #3

In 2019 SpaceX should start deploying their satellite constellation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_satellite_constellation

Round trip to a satellite will never rival fiber. Especially the way modern web apps are built inefficiently

> SpaceX expects its own latencies to be between 25 and 35ms [0]

There is a huge difference in latency between existing satellite internet services and what spacex is looking to launch.

[0]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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All major infrastructure such as roads, power, communications etc needs to be owned and run by government upon which is then a level playing field on which free enterprise can then compete. When you have any major infrastructure essential to running a business in private hands you no longer have a democracy or free enterprise.

On a related note, can't a digital platform such as iOS or Android be viewed as major infrastructure? How about Google's search?

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Round trip to a satellite will never rival fiber. Especially the way modern web apps are built inefficiently

Could you expand on this? Do you think latency is the limiting factor for a LEO network?

A geosynchronous orbit is ~36000km

36000 km / speed of light = .12 seconds

So thats a ping of 240, minimum. That's assuming everything else in the system happened instantaneously.

If you can however manage to solve the whole aiming at a moving target 360 kilometers away then maybe you could do a LEO network, and yeah the ping would be closer to 1.2 assuming again literally everything was instantaneous.

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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MuniFiber.com. Towns are slowly rolling their own fiber to the home. This is one answer to breaking cable monopolies. edit: Apologies, muninetworks.org is the true website. I've been reading way too much about FTTH obviously and partially substituted the website name :)

Was interested in learning more, I think the correct website is https://muninetworks.org/content/fiber-optic-network

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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post #5

I just loaded this article on my mobile device. An ad on the website triggered with auto playing audio that stopped background media playback of my device. I class these type of ads as a type of vermin, and generally avoid any website that contains them. Why should I trust an organisation that chooses to run user hostile ads on their site line this to make a better internet?

This is a literal ad hominem fallacy. Whether someone is honest or good doesn't have any bearing on any individual statement's veracity. A statement is true or false regardless of who says it. Additionally the article was written by an author who is not responsible for the advertisements, or really any actions of this establishment which are entirely outside of their control. All being said, yeah that sounds horrible…

> This is a literal ad hominem fallacy.

This is rather a problem with the author who is benefiting from the ad-driven Internet while preaching for something else. It's like a weapons reseller advocating for peace.

Re: We need internet that isn't owned by big telecom

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post #3

In 2019 SpaceX should start deploying their satellite constellation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_satellite_constellation

Round trip to a satellite will never rival fiber. Especially the way modern web apps are built inefficiently

I had Google Fiber installed in my apartment a year ago. I was walking through the parking garage and I caught one of the techs doing alignment splicing. I asked him where the nearest Google Fiber Hut was and he said about the quarter mile away near a Taco Bell. I remarked that's pretty good, but he said well it's even further than that because it's not line of sight. He pulled out a tool that could measure the total length of installed fiber via refection... It was over 20,000 feet. And that was just to go from the garage to fiber hut 1/4 mi away. I don't know how the topology of Google's network works, but I thought that was crazy.

Granted leo satellites are 1200mi away but it's worth remembering that.

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