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Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Google spokeswoman: “We have taken a backseat to no one in our support for an open internet. We offered this proposal in the spirit of compromise. Others might have done it differently, but we think locking in key enforceable protections for consumers is progress and preferable to no protection.” I have to agree, Google is getting flak here although they are the only company that stood for net neutrality. They are be…

You don't think the large amount of Android share that is Verizon based had anything to do with coming to a deal here? A possibility perhaps? Oh and now that we know Google can do evil, just a little bit, can we go back to China please?

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Google spokeswoman: “We have taken a backseat to no one in our support for an open internet. We offered this proposal in the spirit of compromise. Others might have done it differently, but we think locking in key enforceable protections for consumers is progress and preferable to no protection.” I have to agree, Google is getting flak here although they are the only company that stood for net neutrality. They are be…

yanw, the article points out what they had previously said before this comprimise. I like the old position, not the new "only partially completely incorrect" model.

from a post on Google’s official blog in 2007: “The nation’s spectrum airwaves are not the birthright of any one company. They are a unique and valuable public resource that belong to all Americans. The FCC’s auction rules are designed to allow U.S. consumers — for the first time — to use their handsets with any network they desire, and and use the lawful software applications of their choice.”

Read More http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/why-google-became-a-c...

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This deal is just a fig leaf. Google supported net neutrality when it suited their business goals. The moment Android took off it became a non-issue for them. If anything, they should be taking more flak. Google's enjoyed an incredibly soft treatment by the press thanks to their positioning as a company that puts ethics before profits. Yet on the issues that matter, it's increasingly clear that Google's ethics are hi…

They succeeded in getting Verizon to agree to net neutrality on the wired internet. Isn't that a strict improvement over the status quo?

No it is not. The status quo is that no one has yet made any binding decisions, and the telecom operators will try to get away with what they can until the FCC slaps them down.

Google just succeeded in getting Verizon to agree to net neutrality on the wired internet in exchange for removing any possibility of net neutrality on the wireless internet (which Google claims is the future of internet).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This deal is just a fig leaf. Google supported net neutrality when it suited their business goals. The moment Android took off it became a non-issue for them. If anything, they should be taking more flak. Google's enjoyed an incredibly soft treatment by the press thanks to their positioning as a company that puts ethics before profits. Yet on the issues that matter, it's increasingly clear that Google's ethics are hi…

They succeeded in getting Verizon to agree to net neutrality on the wired internet. Isn't that a strict improvement over the status quo?

http://xkcd.com/463/

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Completely changing your stated principles on the importance of net neutrality and openness in the wireless sphere, because it suites your financial situation, is not "compromise" it's hypocrisy.

In the U.S. companies can't have principles that don't suit their financial situation. If they try to, the board is exposed to shareholder class-action lawsuits.

Exactly, the glaring problem here isn't that Google or Verizon make a deal that is beneficial to their shareholders. The problem is the complete ineptitude of the government to design regulatory law.

In time perhaps we will view the failings of the FCC as the failure of MMS, I hope not.

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Google spokeswoman: “We have taken a backseat to no one in our support for an open internet. We offered this proposal in the spirit of compromise. Others might have done it differently, but we think locking in key enforceable protections for consumers is progress and preferable to no protection.” I have to agree, Google is getting flak here although they are the only company that stood for net neutrality. They are be…

Completely changing your stated principles on the importance of net neutrality and openness in the wireless sphere, because it suites your financial situation, is not "compromise" it's hypocrisy.

The attitude in the agreement towards wireless is that it's too competitive to regulate right now, basically anything could still happen that isn't a "complete change" it's just a wait and see compromise.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They succeeded in getting Verizon to agree to net neutrality on the wired internet. Isn't that a strict improvement over the status quo?

No it is not. The status quo is that no one has yet made any binding decisions, and the telecom operators will try to get away with what they can until the FCC slaps them down. Google just succeeded in getting Verizon to agree to net neutrality on the wired internet in exchange for removing any possibility of net neutrality on the wireless internet (which Google claims is the future of internet).

>in exchange for removing any possibility of net neutrality on the wireless internet (which Google claims is the future of internet).

[citation needed] This is explicitly not true according to the text of the agreement. The agreement says that it is too early to determine whether net-neutrality provisions are necessary for wireless networks, because it's a newer market and there is much more competition.

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Google spokeswoman: “We have taken a backseat to no one in our support for an open internet. We offered this proposal in the spirit of compromise. Others might have done it differently, but we think locking in key enforceable protections for consumers is progress and preferable to no protection.” I have to agree, Google is getting flak here although they are the only company that stood for net neutrality. They are be…

This deal is just a fig leaf. Google supported net neutrality when it suited their business goals. The moment Android took off it became a non-issue for them. If anything, they should be taking more flak. Google's enjoyed an incredibly soft treatment by the press thanks to their positioning as a company that puts ethics before profits. Yet on the issues that matter, it's increasingly clear that Google's ethics are hi…

That is an extremely naive view of things, Google is a publicly traded for profit company, any good or ethical maneuvers they make are just surplus, they tend to do it more than most, I suppose if they were completely rotten no one would criticize them this much as people would expect the worst.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return?

"Not cool enough."

The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these points about what they could've done instead which basically amounted to "become a direct competitor with Apple on the retail level" are not realistic considering everything we know about Google and it's views and practices on direct end user support.

If the market wants to shoot itself in the foot by choosing shitty products, that's their cross to bear. It's not reasonable to place the blame on one of the few companies that provided an out and had it thrown squarely back in their face. The only problem I fear is that due to the failure of the Nexus One they won't invest in a Nexus Two and the Android ecosystem will become a swirling morass of telco crippled product, thus ending differentiation between it and the competing iOS ecosystem.

The article does however make an interesting point, HP might do better with webOS, they are accustomed to end user hand holding and playing the retail / marketing game. If they can push a truly open ecosystem and manage to be successful in units moved as well, they may well end up being what Android might have been if the market had let it go in the direction Google had clearly wanted it to go from inception.

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FTA: ``Google could have fought. It had plenty of tools at its disposal. It could have made phones that worked on all of those networks, and then sued those companies if they didn’t allow users to get fair plans.''

Does this sound at all like a well-thought-out, reasonable, or mature course of action to suggest that Google could have taken? I don't think so. What exactly does ``a fair plan'' mean? $0.50 less for unlimited texting? $10 less for wireless broadband?

FTA: ``That’s fancy language for: Verizon and the nation’s telecoms have yet again won, Google officially became a net neutrality surrender monkey, and you — as an American — have lost.''

Sounds to me like Wired is taking a shot at riding a wave of childish rage (and trying to get fat along the way).

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