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YouTube Demonetization Screenshot Leaks and Secret YouTube Meeting

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#11
Seems very pragmatic to me.

Actually "If people feel uncomfortable watching it in public" is vague but reasonably good guideline.

It has to be nary impossible to draw the line in so many cases, but the guidelines seem reasonable and the line will roughly get drawn about there.

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#12
post #6

I have a feeling that the internet will get outraged about this for one reason or another, but just from looking at this, it actually seems like a sensible policy designed to keep YouTube out of trouble. Nothing extreme or unfair, just avoiding to show ads next to stuff advertisers would not want to see their ads next to, while also making an effort to avoid offending or censoring youtubers. Probably won't be flawles…

The real problem with these rules is subjectivity. Something you would consider offensive is probably not from my perspective. In the end it will be a moderator bias galore. I can easily see a Christian mod demonetizing atheist videos, democrat republican, prude free, etc etc etc.

I'd like to see a true free speech platform with violence/nudity sectioned off according to the local laws, and then let the advertisers decide where they want to spend the money, instead of treating them as children who don't know better.

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#13

Does anyone have any idea about why these rules would be secret? The only thing I can think of is that YouTube is not confident in their guidelines & categorization, and does not want to defend these choices publicly.

The reason to keep them secret is because they are very clearly not rules. There's nothing too specific about it, and so there's going to be a fair bit of actual judgement calls being made. If they publish the rules, then they become actual rules instead of content moderation guidelines and they lose their freedom to interpret those rules based on context.

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#14
post #8

I don’t understand what the term “demonetization” means in this context. When a video is flagged for “demonetization” what are the immediate consequences? I’ve never actually met anyone who got paid for something that happened on YouTube, so I just don’t understand how the business side of YouTube even works. For the life of me, all I’ve ever directly witnessed is the occassional friend who received a DMCA notice, be…

once your channel has a certain number of subscribers (1000, maybe? it's a fairly low number), youtube starts paying you per view. demonetized videos don't count towards your viewcount so you don't get paid for them. This makes youtubers very angry.

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#15
I don't see anything wrong with that. Google did this before to fight search engine spam. Top positions for money keywords in search results were manually reviewed by humans. Now advertisers do not want to be advertised on specific videos to avoid risk of brand damage.

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#16
post #6

I have a feeling that the internet will get outraged about this for one reason or another, but just from looking at this, it actually seems like a sensible policy designed to keep YouTube out of trouble. Nothing extreme or unfair, just avoiding to show ads next to stuff advertisers would not want to see their ads next to, while also making an effort to avoid offending or censoring youtubers. Probably won't be flawles…

The real problem with these rules is subjectivity. Something you would consider offensive is probably not from my perspective. In the end it will be a moderator bias galore. I can easily see a Christian mod demonetizing atheist videos, democrat republican, prude free, etc etc etc. I'd like to see a true free speech platform with violence/nudity sectioned off according to the local laws, and then let the advertisers d…

That makes sense. The problem is that at the end of the day the decision will have to be made either by algorithms or by people. Algorithms are less nuanced, hard to write, and will often fail, people are expensive and biased.

With the amount of videos youtube has to process, and without an almost human-level AI, I don't think there's a perfect solution.

Algorithms flagging videos for review, and then humans making decisions based on some basic set of principles seems right.

Also, to let advertisers decide where to spend their money there's targeting tools...

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post #10
post #8

I don’t understand what the term “demonetization” means in this context. When a video is flagged for “demonetization” what are the immediate consequences? I’ve never actually met anyone who got paid for something that happened on YouTube, so I just don’t understand how the business side of YouTube even works. For the life of me, all I’ve ever directly witnessed is the occassional friend who received a DMCA notice, be…

It means the video won't have ads and thus the creator won't earn any money from ads. It's very difficult to make a lot of money from YouTube ads, but some people are doing it and getting "demonetized" really hurts them.

> It's very difficult to make a lot of money from YouTube ads

Like anything else, I think you have to find your audience. A 6 year old apparently made $11 million this year off his YouTube channel:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/1...

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#18
post #3

The rules to flag videos is here: https://imgur.com/a/uTLTS and they seem quite vague. Stuff like "Regular TV" is not something many people can understand. That said, is there a way to find the demonetized videos?

creaters can find the monetary status of the videos in their dashboard. They get notified whenever any of their video is demonitized.

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#19
post #6

I have a feeling that the internet will get outraged about this for one reason or another, but just from looking at this, it actually seems like a sensible policy designed to keep YouTube out of trouble. Nothing extreme or unfair, just avoiding to show ads next to stuff advertisers would not want to see their ads next to, while also making an effort to avoid offending or censoring youtubers. Probably won't be flawles…

The real problem with these rules is subjectivity. Something you would consider offensive is probably not from my perspective. In the end it will be a moderator bias galore. I can easily see a Christian mod demonetizing atheist videos, democrat republican, prude free, etc etc etc. I'd like to see a true free speech platform with violence/nudity sectioned off according to the local laws, and then let the advertisers d…

But what advertiser wants to spend their time selecting videos to put their ads on? I don't see how your solution would be accepted. And automatic categorization doesn't work - otherwise Google wouldn't be spending money on humans.

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#20
These rules seem incredibly strict, in a way that could seriously limit original content.

If I was to make a show similar to Trailer Park Boys, about a bunch of comedic stoners bumbling around and swearing a bunch, it would be demonetized.

Trailer Park Boys is a good example, since it's a show that you could produce on a minimal budget and try to launch on Youtube.

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