Police Homicides in the United States
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#121: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLEO/comments/2dgwkp/what_makes_a...
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#13As a counterpoint to the headline that might be little fear-inducing, my first reaction when reading it was: only so little? Things must be bad.
I mean: the perfect situation is when there are no homicides at all. But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest, at which point 100% of all homicides would be police-inflicted, and that would be good. Not perfect, but better than what we have.
Statistics are funny this way.
The real question is, how many of those killed by the police were killed in totally justifiable self-defense, and not just because of policemen being trigger-happy. Or, put another way, what's the probability that a person who is not resisting arrest to get "accidentally" killed by the police.
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#14I’m guessing this was posted in response to the release of a cop who murdered David Shaver http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-sha... When did this dystopia begin? It wasn’t too long ago right? What can I do to prevent this? There isn’t an organized dissent group. Idk what it really that I want.
I would think Black Lives Matter would be an organized resistance group, no?
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#15e.g. Imagine a world where police do their job even better, and eliminate all murder. But, in some cases, they have to kill the murderer before he takes an innocent victim. They never kill unless it's absolutely necessary and justified. In such a world, this statistic rises to "All people killed by strangers are killed by police", which sounds worse than the headline, yet such a world is obviously better than ours.
e.g. Imagine a world where police never do anything. They drink beer in the station all day. All people killed by strangers are killed by non-police. Such a world is much worse than ours, yet this stat looks a lot better.
Just these very simple thought experiments should give you pause about what this statistical comparison actually means (or if it means anything at all).
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My two questions to those who think this is some sort of obvious travesty:
1. What would be a healthy ratio between [people killed by non-police strangers] and [people killed by police]? 1:5? 1:10? 1:100? Why?
2. How is this random choice of two statistics not just another variation on the Chinese robber fallacy? [1]
[1] http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/09/16/cardiologists-and-chine...
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#16The question discussed is interesting and important but I felt the structure of this article is somewhat unfortunate: it explains very well and objectively some of the statistical issues and solutions with censored data but then when discussing how it’s applied to the particular case of police homicide does so with a rather obvious bias towards assuming that the situation is very bad and comes up with a number, manua…
The Guardian's list of people killed by police in 2015 and 2016 identifies approximately 1100/y. [1]
And the Bureau of Justice Statistics released preliminary findings (for June to August 2015) from a redesigned Arrest-Related Deaths program that extrapolated an estimated 1200 arrest-related homicides per year. [2]
1: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/...
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#17The statistical abuse in this headline is extreme. It's so meaningless, yet so carefully designed to appeal to irrational confirmation biases. Consider some extremely simple thought experiments: e.g. Imagine a world where police do their job even better, and eliminate all murder. But, in some cases, they have to kill the murderer before he takes an innocent victim. They never kill unless it's absolutely necessary and…
Germany: 2155 homicides in 2011, 6 by the police.
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#18Don't get me wrong. I would be very interested in finding real solutions for the tendency to see Blacks gunned down by the police. My assumption is this known trend is the driving force behind this piece.
I just think this is the wrong way to approach the problem space.
How to lie with statistics is an excellent book. I highly recommend it. It is a large factor in my decision to not bother to read this piece too thoroughly.
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#19The question discussed is interesting and important but I felt the structure of this article is somewhat unfortunate: it explains very well and objectively some of the statistical issues and solutions with censored data but then when discussing how it’s applied to the particular case of police homicide does so with a rather obvious bias towards assuming that the situation is very bad and comes up with a number, manua…
If your issue is with the "final" 1,500 number (increased from 1,250), you'll find that it's well-supported in both the blog post:
>>> Keep in mind that the Bureau of Justice Statistics report itself excludes many jurisdictions in the United States that openly refuse to share any data with the FBI. The true number of homicides committed by police is therefore even higher. Though not a true estimate, my best guess of the number of police homicides in the United States is about 1,500 per year.
And the paper:
>>> As mentioned in Banks et al. (2015), these list intersection counts only include jurisdictions that reported any data (about 70%). As such, these numbers should be interpreted as estimates of the number of people killed by police in the reporting jurisdictions. If the reporting jurisdictions are missing from the dataset not because there were truly no killings in those areas during this period, but instead because they chose not to report homicides by police, the true number of police homicides could be 30% higher than we have suggested here.
Note that 1500 represents a 20% increase over 1250, which is lower than the 30% maximum estimate presented in the paper.
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#20It’s understandable that Americans continue seeking measurable blame, but I think this is a complicated result of wider cultural issues, none of which can be isolated. So sad.
The lack of accountability for murders committed by police in the US is not a difficult "issue" to isolate.