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FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids »

fotbr wrote: post #8
shmerl wrote: post #4

His smug attitude of showing how he doesn't care about the public he is supposed to serve, will be his downfall in court.

No, it won't be. Anything involving this will be handled by gov't lawyers, not by him, and you can bet if he does end up in front of the court, his responses will be 100% coached by those lawyers.

His attitude outside of court is admissible to court. It likely would be brought up to show that the agency did not represent the consumer in good faith.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by pwinnski »

fotbr wrote: post #8
shmerl wrote: post #4

His smug attitude of showing how he doesn't care about the public he is supposed to serve, will be his downfall in court.

No, it won't be. Anything involving this will be handled by gov't lawyers, not by him, and you can bet if he does end up in front of the court, his responses will be 100% coached by those lawyers.

Federal court cases have already been influenced by the current administration's actions (speeches, interviews, tweets) outside of court documents and statements by attorney. What Pai says now can indeed be referenced within court proceedings. Whether that will be effective or not is unclear.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by Delmania »

thrillgore wrote: post #7

I feel more helpless now than I did on November 9th, 2016.

This will not just get rammed through. I believe both the ACLU and EFF have lawsuits waiting to be filed once the vote happens. Between Pai's comments and actions, they have a strong case that the agency disregarded the public's opinion and is therefore not acting in the interest of the public, which, I have been told is a legal requirement of the FCC. This is another example of a Trump appointee trying to weaken the agency he was put in charge of, only to have the federal courts deny that.

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Post by slouch »

grokas wrote: post #2

After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. This whole situation sucks, and no matter how much noise we make and activism we take part in, if Pai has the legal footing to ruin the internet, he will.

We've only had the rules for two years, and this only shows that the next administration can also pull and about-face. The lawsuits might not even be settled by then.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by Delmania »

grokas wrote: post #2

After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. This whole situation sucks, and no matter how much noise we make and activism we take part in, if Pai has the legal footing to ruin the internet, he will.

He doesn't. Ignoring the public comment period and making comments like demonstrate he's not acting in the interest of the consumer. There's a good chance a federal judge will strike this down.

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Post by api »

slouch wrote: post #16
grokas wrote: post #2

After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. This whole situation sucks, and no matter how much noise we make and activism we take part in, if Pai has the legal footing to ruin the internet, he will.

We've only had the rules for two years, and this only shows that the next administration can also pull and about-face. The lawsuits might not even be settled by then.

That kind of regulatory uncertainty is bad for the industry. Congress really needs to act.

... hahaha ... congress ... act ... hahahahaha ...

In all seriousness though: I think it's a mistake to focus on the FCC even now. That's obviously a lost cause. Focus on Congress and the next election cycle. Network neutrality needs to be law.

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Post by peterwwillis »

Does anyone remember when Jack Valenti was widely mocked for his being instrumental in abusing the rights of consumers? There were huge campaigns against the MPAA and Valenti.

Where's the PR push back from the techno-intelligentsia? Why aren't we pointing out Pai's attacks on the rights of American citizens? Why aren't we pointing out to regular people why this is clearly an attack on one of the few freedoms they have left? Where are the "Put this in your Pai hole" t-shirts and bumper stickers?

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by jdc0589 »

LaneRendell wrote: post #5
grokas wrote: post #2

After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. This whole situation sucks, and no matter how much noise we make and activism we take part in, if Pai has the legal footing to ruin the internet, he will.

Your comment is much better than what I wanted to say: What a douche canoe.

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