A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death • Hacker News Board

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:44 PM UTC

fourstar wrote: post #9

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of ways to connect with young people. Youth organizations can get you connected, without the household commitment (they all go home at the end of the game). Scouts, church groups, Big Brother/Sister, you name it. So don't have to go into this whole hog; don't need anybody else involved to make it work; and no unsurmountable reason to delay?

It's the literal purpose of our existence. Why would you discourage that?

Because finding the 'right person' is seen as a precondition to starting a family. Which is an artificial obstacle, given what I wrote above. If the goal is to connect with a younger generation in a significant way, so as to know people when old.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by adrianN » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:44 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #7

dominotw wrote: post #6

I thinks its do or die time for me to have kids. postponed it too long. I don't want to die alone, old age is loooong. Reading this article and watching this random video put me in high key stress mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zxvr2NjDA&feature=youtu.be...

Lots of ways to connect with young people. Youth organizations can get you connected, without the household commitment (they all go home at the end of the game). Scouts, church groups, Big Brother/Sister, you name it. So don't have to go into this whole hog; don't need anybody else involved to make it work; and no unsurmountable reason to delay?

I wonder how many of the young people you connected with that way would come to sit by your side at your deathbed.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:45 PM UTC

fourstar wrote: post #9

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of ways to connect with young people. Youth organizations can get you connected, without the household commitment (they all go home at the end of the game). Scouts, church groups, Big Brother/Sister, you name it. So don't have to go into this whole hog; don't need anybody else involved to make it work; and no unsurmountable reason to delay?

It's the literal purpose of our existence. Why would you discourage that?

That's like, your opinion, man. Not everyone agrees that our existence even has a purpose.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:46 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #12

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of ways to connect with young people. Youth organizations can get you connected, without the household commitment (they all go home at the end of the game). Scouts, church groups, Big Brother/Sister, you name it. So don't have to go into this whole hog; don't need anybody else involved to make it work; and no unsurmountable reason to delay?

I wonder how many of the young people you connected with that way would come to sit by your side at your deathbed.

You'd be surprised. Its a small community. I know a half-dozen good, good friends I've made that way. Been invited to the wedding; worked with; been the guy they come to when troubled.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by bovermyer » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:53 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #2

Capitalism is brutal. People spend time with people who provide the most value to their lives. And some people don't provide much value and they die alone.

You read that entire article and this is what you took away?

The situation is far more complex than that. Japan is facing a very real crisis, and the causes are not limited to its adoption of capitalism following WWII.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by intended » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:54 PM UTC

dominotw wrote: post #6

I thinks its do or die time for me to have kids. postponed it too long. I don't want to die alone, old age is loooong. Reading this article and watching this random video put me in high key stress mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zxvr2NjDA&feature=youtu.be...

That’s a terrible reason.

Add : bringing in a fully autonomous individual motivated by the hope+belief+expectation that they will be there when you grow old?

Small chance, considering that the human trait which they need to be subscribed to is empathy, self-lessness and family.

A lot of which will be learnt from their own parents. Namely you.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by bovermyer » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:56 PM UTC

fourstar wrote: post #9

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of ways to connect with young people. Youth organizations can get you connected, without the household commitment (they all go home at the end of the game). Scouts, church groups, Big Brother/Sister, you name it. So don't have to go into this whole hog; don't need anybody else involved to make it work; and no unsurmountable reason to delay?

It's the literal purpose of our existence. Why would you discourage that?

I disagree. There is no predetermined purpose to our existence. We are biologically predispositioned towards propagation of the species, but that's only because such a thing is self-reinforcing.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by DeusExMachina » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 1:57 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #13

fourstar wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the literal purpose of our existence. Why would you discourage that?

That's like, your opinion, man. Not everyone agrees that our existence even has a purpose.

His opinion, plus 4 billion years of evolution.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

bovermyer wrote: post #17

fourstar wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the literal purpose of our existence. Why would you discourage that?

I disagree. There is no predetermined purpose to our existence. We are biologically predispositioned towards propagation of the species, but that's only because such a thing is self-reinforcing.

Some of us. Some never reproduce. Still it takes a village to raise a child, so I guess all serve their purpose in reproduction.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Post by gspetr » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 2:05 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #2

Capitalism is brutal. People spend time with people who provide the most value to their lives. And some people don't provide much value and they die alone.

What's the alternative?[0]

Remember that burning desire to spend time with random elderly people when you were 14?

Yeah, neither do I.

[0]I actually know of one, since I'm Russian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur_and_His_Squad

The problem I see with that is it's artificial.

Again, remember that burning desire to spend time with random elderly people when you were 14?

People did it to essentially earn social points and feel good about themselves, when you're a child - to get adults to praise you in exchange for some liberties, like breaking a curfew a bit.

My point is, I don't think Capitalism is the problem here.

I don't have that much trouble believing boy scouts could have been the American "Timur and his squad" in 1940.