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Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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Governments all over the world will use the agenda "social media is bad, people need to be protected from it" to regulate how we interact with each other over digital media. This will stifle our ability to communicate and organize against laws and government actions that are not right. Meanwhile school homework gets more and more ridiculous and children get medicated with who knows what kind of psychoactive substance…

> Meanwhile school homework gets more and more ridiculous

Parents need to adjust their expectations, or the kids are caught between a rock and a hard place. The school won't show mercy.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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I'd say this is more a problem with human nature, that social media is just exposing at a whole new level. It's basic biology to want to be the best, in order to attract the best mate etc. Social media has blown open a world where not only is there always someone better, more attractive, more fun, more social-able etc than you but also that the levels these people reach will always be unobtainable for you.

Of course it is, but then if it wasn't for that, social media would've never gotten so successful in the first place. What matters is the effect it has on the society, esp. on the immature minds that are taking shape. If you break it early, it may never unlock its full potential or be happy.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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I'd say this is more a problem with human nature, that social media is just exposing at a whole new level. It's basic biology to want to be the best, in order to attract the best mate etc. Social media has blown open a world where not only is there always someone better, more attractive, more fun, more social-able etc than you but also that the levels these people reach will always be unobtainable for you.

This is how I feel about all the people on HN who are vastly smarter than me.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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My wife just left me due to the rabbit hole that Instagram has taken her down. She’s a completely different person now. Social media addiction is real, and scary.

Can you expand on this? I don't really understand how x lead to y as i don't have much idea about social media addiction at all or its effects.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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These days I use facebook just for its messenger. On my computer, I skip facebook.com and go to messenger.com directly. On mobile (I refuse to install their apps), I go to mbasic.facebook.com because Facebook doesn't let me access the messenger tab in the mobile facebook website, nagging me to install their messenger app. Messenger is a really useful tool to stay connected. Pretty much everyone I know is available th…

Messenger is at least as good as a decent IRC server, with your friends all agreeing to use an IRC client app, instead. Super weird to see that we're coming full circle; it used to be that you had to install a special app to chat with your friends, same as it ever was today ..

> with your friends all agreeing to use an IRC client app

I can’t imagine what world you live in where this is a realistic options. I couldn’t even persuade my tech friends to do this, let alone my wider friend group who work in different fields.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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My wife just left me due to the rabbit hole that Instagram has taken her down. She’s a completely different person now. Social media addiction is real, and scary.

Can you expand on this? I don't really understand how x lead to y as i don't have much idea about social media addiction at all or its effects.

We moved to a new city. I work full time (from home) as a SWE. She is a stay at home mom. She met new people on IG in our new city, made friends. I thought it was great.

My wife has a hole deep inside her from years of childhood abuse. She has no career, is early 20s like myself, and has yet to figure herself out.

As the months went by, she filled that hole more and more with her connections on IG and less with our family/relationship. Her follower count grew from a few hundred to 10,000. She started spending more and more time taking videos for her followers.

It got to the point where I would come home from work, ask how her day was, she’d say “fine.” And then about an hour later or later that night, there would be a multi paragraph long post of hers about her day. She put more effort into her relationship with IG than she did with us. It makes sense, I mean shit, every single post she would get hundreds of comments saying all sorts of nice things. I tried to keep up. But IG filled that hole in her heart much faster than I could.

Keep in mind we weren’t just some random marriage. We were best friends for a year before we even started dating.

She decided she is “pansexual” and “polyamorous” and no longer wanted to be “tied down”. She refused to leave me because I pay all the bills. So I suffered for a few months while she brought home different people. Eventually I got my own apartment and walked out.

Even though I technically walked out at the end, she left me mentally long ago. She now spends all her free time with her IG cliques instead of getting a job or going to school...or anything worthwhile really. Just more photoshoots. More posting. More spending.

She doesn’t have an remorse or regret to her. She thinks she is on the path to her greatness, blah blah blah, monogamy is ownership, all these things she just keeps repeating from memes she reads from “woke” accounts. Fake facts and stats from “sources” that are just anonymous accounts posting bullshit. Millenials (my generation) browse this shit, read it, and believe it without any doubt in their heads. Meanwhile I’m paying about ~$4k a month in just rent and car bills for her. Not including anything else.

OH and did I mention - the main girls she hangs out with from IG, 4 of them, are ALL going through divorces in the past two months. 4 of them. And they don’t see any connection between them. Either they are lying to my face and have some sort of secret pact going on to be single...or that’s some seriously strong groupthink right there.

Social media echo chambers are real.

Edit - I left out this private details because I originally deemed it unnecessary to share, but I think it might explain why I’m being so “nice”. She thinks she’s lesbian, or bi. She’s been bringing home women. She has a girlfriend now. If it was guys then yeah I think it would be easier to just be all pissed off. But the fact that it’s women, rational or not, for some reason makes it more confusing for me to deal with. Sorry for leaving this out.

Thank you for all the feedback and advice. All if it is extremely helpful.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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These days I use facebook just for its messenger. On my computer, I skip facebook.com and go to messenger.com directly. On mobile (I refuse to install their apps), I go to mbasic.facebook.com because Facebook doesn't let me access the messenger tab in the mobile facebook website, nagging me to install their messenger app. Messenger is a really useful tool to stay connected. Pretty much everyone I know is available th…

I have actually completely stopped using Facebook main social app at all. I have deleted Facebook app from my mobile phone and logged out of facebook.com website on my MacBook. The only services I still use from FB are Messenger (all my friends are on there) and Instagram (I travel a lot and I post pictures from my travels on IG).

I would say the only part of the FB ecosystem I cannot leave yet is Messenger. I could quit using Instagram more or less easily. But losing access to quickly have a word with my closest friends and family is something I cannot do.

If there was a way to communicate with my best friends and family without having to be a prisoner of some large MNC's ecosystem, I could leave FB completely.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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As opposed to growing more anxious and depressed due to television watching?

Television is fantasy for the most part. I use it as because I'm lonely. I have it on all the time. I don't watch the depressing commercials though. It's a little friend.

Facebook on the other hand is different. It's a bit too much realism. I go on, and I don't feel better.

My first reaction is why are people so self-aware. Second is why do people love to argue, or look for self adoration at this never satiated level. Then I think about all the people I knew who passed. I thought at first, I felt depressed, was over jealousy, but jealousy is not the main factor.

My hope is people are not like the person they try so hard to be in that website.

Then again, I'm kinda crazy? I've always been a square peg in a round peg world.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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I believe that social media is a symptom, not the cause, of the great loneliness that our modern aloneness has caused. We are alone much of the time, especially in American suburbia. Even when we are in the city filled with people, these people are just blank faces whom we do not know. We are seeking any form of connection that we can get. And when the only connection to others that we have is through the computer, we become addicted to it.

That said, I believe that once addicted to social media, the bubble of safety that we feel from "eating social junk food". The screen bubble, can become alluring and some people fall into it. I remember at the Prague hackerspace, how we'd all be sitting around the table, and I'd be confused, why people were laughing and interacting without words. It was a while till I realized that they were chatting on IRC.

Re: Teenagers are growing more anxious and depressed

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So what is it about "Social Media" that's causing this? Article has a passing mention of coveting exotic holidays. (I haven't read the mentioned book.)

So is it (just) comparison? "Everyone else's life is amazing / I'm the only one who's faking it."

What about unhealthy levels of screen usage in general? Do kids who play video games instead of going outside/socializing face-to-face feel the same way (to some extent)?

Maybe media (news/commentary) intake through these services contributes? We all have our echo chambers of ever-spiraling outrage at the Evil of the Other Side -- does this add to feeling powerless, or that the future is hopeless? Certainly aren't being exposed to reasoned debate...

Broader, do our modern technologies now allow more complete, socially acceptable escape from 'real life'? And the further we get from non-virtual interactions with _anything_ the more ill we become?

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