Live data from Hacker News

A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

washingtonpost.com

11–20 of 441 posts

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#11
post #3

Farming is no way to make a living. I'm glad that these people are finding success, but I come from a farming community and family and for decades farming has only been affordable if you also had another full-time job. Although microfarms for trendy produce might not be so bad.

> microfarms for trendy produce might not be so bad.

Yup: https://modernfarmer.com/2016/10/jm-fortier/

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#12
post #8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their are no "three-acre farms," at best it's a garden. It's not easy to make a decent living of a tiny farm, but some people have done it. Most of them target higher-end products and direct-to-customer sales. For example, Eliot Coleman had a 5-acre farm on the coast of Maine that apparently did fairly well selling fresh local vegetables during the fall and spring for many years. His book is excellent and fascinati…

I added a PS, but these value adds stop being a farm. If you operate a cheese factory that can create a lot of value from a small area, but it generates value even if you use milk from a different farm. Operating a stall is again a way to generate revenue, but that's completely independent from actually growing food.

I think that's a universal argument for making all farms worthless, outside their subsistence value. All the produce must be sold; your argument means you can always argue that the value comes from the selling, not the farm.

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#13
post #3

Farming is no way to make a living. I'm glad that these people are finding success, but I come from a farming community and family and for decades farming has only been affordable if you also had another full-time job. Although microfarms for trendy produce might not be so bad.

> Farming is no way to make a living.... Although microfarms for trendy produce might not be so bad. You contradict yourself here. If they manage to find a niche in which they make a living, then they're doing fine. It doesn't make sense to grow corn when that portion of the market is already saturated.

I read it as "Farming is generally a tough racket, though microfarms might be an exception." Not necessarily contradictory.

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#14
post #9
post #2

Their are no "three-acre farms," at best it's a garden. My old boss operated a 80 acre micro farm while holding down a full time job. It was a hobby that at best broke even, but he had fun. PS: They might say be operating a stall at a locally grown market, but it's the stall not the farm that's generating income.

"PS: They might say be operating a stall at a locally grown market, but it's the stall not the farm that's generating income." If the stall sells products coming from the farm, the difference is lost on me. It's like saying "it's the Sales department that generate income, while Engineering is just a cost".

The difference is that (as I understand it, not at all an expert in agriculture) the stall would generate nearly equal income if you just bought produce from another farmer and sold it at the stall.

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#15
post #9
post #2

Their are no "three-acre farms," at best it's a garden. My old boss operated a 80 acre micro farm while holding down a full time job. It was a hobby that at best broke even, but he had fun. PS: They might say be operating a stall at a locally grown market, but it's the stall not the farm that's generating income.

"PS: They might say be operating a stall at a locally grown market, but it's the stall not the farm that's generating income." If the stall sells products coming from the farm, the difference is lost on me. It's like saying "it's the Sales department that generate income, while Engineering is just a cost".

[deleted]

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#17
post #9
post #2

Their are no "three-acre farms," at best it's a garden. My old boss operated a 80 acre micro farm while holding down a full time job. It was a hobby that at best broke even, but he had fun. PS: They might say be operating a stall at a locally grown market, but it's the stall not the farm that's generating income.

"PS: They might say be operating a stall at a locally grown market, but it's the stall not the farm that's generating income." If the stall sells products coming from the farm, the difference is lost on me. It's like saying "it's the Sales department that generate income, while Engineering is just a cost".

If Engineering was creating a product you could buy from China for less, then yes, it's the Sales department creating >100% of the value.

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#18
I am doing pretty much the same. I am currently an engineering student, working part-time as a programmer. Although the job market for programmers is excellent in Europe, I bought an apple orchard (via loan) pretty close to the capital of the country where I live. Due to the proximity of the capital city, I can sell my product at a decent price and earn more than an average senior dev here. I also enjoy being outside and collaborate IT with agriculture. I am planning on purchasing drones to calculate NDVI and other useful stuff. People working 160 hours a month at a desk requires nature, peace. They love my U-pick programme as the venue is beautiful and close to the capital (less than 15km).

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#19
post #12
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I added a PS, but these value adds stop being a farm. If you operate a cheese factory that can create a lot of value from a small area, but it generates value even if you use milk from a different farm. Operating a stall is again a way to generate revenue, but that's completely independent from actually growing food.

I think that's a universal argument for making all farms worthless, outside their subsistence value. All the produce must be sold; your argument means you can always argue that the value comes from the selling, not the farm.

I am simply making a statement that differences in quantity become differences in kind. You can separate things by revenue generation.

If you buy from 1 farmer and then sell wholesale to 1 customer your not going to make significant money. If you buy from 1 farmer and then sell at a stall to 1,000 people you can make meaningful profit.

Re: A growing number of young Americans are leaving desk jobs to farm

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Farming is no way to make a living.... Although microfarms for trendy produce might not be so bad. You contradict yourself here. If they manage to find a niche in which they make a living, then they're doing fine. It doesn't make sense to grow corn when that portion of the market is already saturated.

I read it as "Farming is generally a tough racket, though microfarms might be an exception." Not necessarily contradictory.

Then the comment above was ambiguous at best. The tone of the parent's post was definitely criticizing the trend of people going into farming.

"Farming is no way to make a living... I come from a farming community and family and for decades farming has only been affordable if you also had another full-time job."

Here's another way of thinking of it.

"Tech is no way to make a living. I'm glad that these people are finding success, but I come from a sysadmin community and family and for decades tech has only been affordable if you also had another full-time job. Although software dev for trendy websites might not be so bad."

Tech is broad. Even though tech support and sysadmins are doing poorly, other facets of tech are doing fine, making the phrase "Tech is no way to make a living" inaccurate. Just like saying "Farming is no way to make a living" can be inaccurate if there are still parts of the market largely profitable.

Post reply on HN