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The Mating Crisis Among Educated Women

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Re: The Mating Crisis Among Educated Women

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Post by jgh »

vowelless wrote: post #3

> They end up being forced to compete for the limited pool of educated men not just with their more numerous educated rivals, but also with less educated women whom men find desirable on other dimensions. Considering that we want to eliminate any gaps between the genders, why are educated women limited to educated men of their own ages? Why not increase the pool like men do: go for more younger, possibly less educate…

That's probably what'll end up happening. Right now people have a hard time imagining it because we've been living in a patriarchal society, but I'm willing to bet that in a generation or two there will be fewer hangups about house husbands.

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Post by psergeant »

lmcnish14 wrote: post #7

Why is the onus of lowering their standards being pushed on educated women? One of the issues the author states is that men increasingly go for younger women instead of ones their own age. Why do we value youth and beauty instead of education and accomplishments?

The onerous onus to find the educated.

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Post by jabretti »

Santosh83 wrote: post #6
vowelless wrote: post #3

> They end up being forced to compete for the limited pool of educated men not just with their more numerous educated rivals, but also with less educated women whom men find desirable on other dimensions. Considering that we want to eliminate any gaps between the genders, why are educated women limited to educated men of their own ages? Why not increase the pool like men do: go for more younger, possibly less educate…

That's precisely behind the purported problem outlined in the article. Women don't, on average, prefer younger or less educated/earning men as the other way around. As always with social problems, no easy solution is in sight.

Women tend to desire men who are older, richer and more educated. Men tend to desire women who are young, hot, and of good character.

Men can't always get what they want, either, but nobody writes articles about how that's a crisis.

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Post by alva »

vowelless wrote: post #3

> They end up being forced to compete for the limited pool of educated men not just with their more numerous educated rivals, but also with less educated women whom men find desirable on other dimensions. Considering that we want to eliminate any gaps between the genders, why are educated women limited to educated men of their own ages? Why not increase the pool like men do: go for more younger, possibly less educate…

> If men can increase their pool size, why not women?

Women can, it is just they don't want to due to what the majority express as desirable characteristics. It is a sad state of affairs that make both men and women worse off. I know several women in their mid-thirties who adamantly refuse to consider long term partnership with perceived low status males (along lines of status, power, wealth and education).

The main issue they seem to run into is this. The small pool of highly educated, high status and wealthy men are essentially at the top of the sexual marketplace. Considering the purchasing power (excuse the term, but it makes sense) these men have, they tend to optimise for traits many men find desirable.

Finding an "equal" man in your mid-thirties as a women is very hard. Funnily enough, polygamy in societies partly resolves this distribution problem for women. The problems it causes amongst a perpetually single mass of men are catastrophic however.

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Post by iaw »

lmcnish14 wrote: post #7

Why is the onus of lowering their standards being pushed on educated women? One of the issues the author states is that men increasingly go for younger women instead of ones their own age. Why do we value youth and beauty instead of education and accomplishments?

> Why is the onerous of lowering their standards being pushed on educated women?

A single person looking to find a partner is in essence selling something: themselves. When selling anything it's important to consider the target market.

If the market isn't interested in what someone is selling there's a few options: 1) Change the product 2) Find a different market

Changing the behavior of the market is not an option because, unless it's a really really desirable product, the market isn't likely to budge.

So educated women that the article is referring could decide to not lower their standards but the risk they face is being alone.

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Post by jimmywanger »

I'm not trying to incite a flamewar here, and this will probably be downvoted to death.

Well, the argument here should be:

Men don't find education and accomplishment as attractive as women do - they find youth and beauty important also.

Therefore, in order to attract a mate, logically women should try to attract a mate when they're younger, and try to improve the way they look. They should not be trying to get more educated or accomplish more in their careers.

They can of course do whatever they want, but I have very little sympathy for people who recognize how reality is and don't try to act in ways that will optimize the probability of the outcome they want.

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Post by Alex3917 »

vowelless wrote: post #3

> They end up being forced to compete for the limited pool of educated men not just with their more numerous educated rivals, but also with less educated women whom men find desirable on other dimensions. Considering that we want to eliminate any gaps between the genders, why are educated women limited to educated men of their own ages? Why not increase the pool like men do: go for more younger, possibly less educate…

> Why not increase the pool like men do: go for more younger, possibly less educated men (as the article implies for men)?

Because it takes women thousands of times longer to produce a child than men. It's just game theory.

Keep in mind also that the average woman doesn't have any magical ability to figure out which men will be successful in advance, otherwise all the top venture capitalists, producers, publishers, etc. would be women.

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