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More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Re: More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Post by tonfa »

ellius wrote: post #9
sacheendra wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I partially agree with the parent. Showing these "connections" without any context and detail is just infuriating and leads to click-bait headlines with no actual purpose served. I don't think they are trying to insult anyone's intelligence though. They are just being careful with the data so that their sources are safe. While safety is important, this reminds me of the story of the boy who cried wolf. If they keep d…

The problem is that incorporation documents are frequently only a small part of the story. It does allow you to correlate ownership, but unless you can actually show some kind of money movement into and out of accounts, it is difficult to show evidence of a particular crime.

Looked at one randomly, looks like some University fund is a shareholder (with over 200 other funds) of a Warburg Pincus fund (a private equity company).

I'm not exactly sure how that's a big deal, nothing there implies they avoid taxes or anything. (Maybe the fund they invest in does shady things, but it doesn't look like they have any kind of weird offshore setup)

Re: More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Re: More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Post by barney54 »

jayess wrote: post #2

These "leaks" are annoying. They just give you a page with virtually no information, just a chart showing some connection. Release everything. Don't insult my intelligence by deciding for me what to release.

If transparency is good, then these reporters should be more transparent with the information they have. That's not too much to ask. Doling it out like this isn't very helpful.

Re: More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Post by ryacko »

tonfa wrote: post #11
ellius wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that incorporation documents are frequently only a small part of the story. It does allow you to correlate ownership, but unless you can actually show some kind of money movement into and out of accounts, it is difficult to show evidence of a particular crime.

Looked at one randomly, looks like some University fund is a shareholder (with over 200 other funds) of a Warburg Pincus fund (a private equity company). I'm not exactly sure how that's a big deal, nothing there implies they avoid taxes or anything. (Maybe the fund they invest in does shady things, but it doesn't look like they have any kind of weird offshore setup)

It's hard to divert money when you're incorporated as a non-profit.

Re: More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Post by stordoff »

icc97 wrote: post #16

The UK's offenders: * Oxford * Cambridge * The University of Law Employee Benefit Trust

Cambridge, FWIW, seems to be mostly individual colleges rather than the University itself. Given the size (and presumably diversity) of their endowment assets[0], I don't find this much of a surprise.

[0] e.g. Trinity ~£1bn per https://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/alumni/giving-to-trinity/annual-r..., Gonville and Caius ~£150m per https://www.cai.cam.ac.uk/alumni/campaign-brochure/the-endow...

Re: More Than 100 Universities and Colleges Included in Offshore Leaks Database

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Post by icc97 »

stordoff wrote: post #18
icc97 wrote: post #16

The UK's offenders: * Oxford * Cambridge * The University of Law Employee Benefit Trust

Cambridge, FWIW, seems to be mostly individual colleges rather than the University itself. Given the size (and presumably diversity) of their endowment assets[0], I don't find this much of a surprise. [0] e.g. Trinity ~£1bn per https://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/alumni/giving-to-trinity/annual-r... , Gonville and Caius ~£150m per https://www.cai.cam.ac.uk/alumni/campaign-brochure/the-endow...

I'm guessing these are just the ones that got caught. I would be surprised if the London Universities e.g. Imperial, LSE would miss out on doing similar things with their funds.
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