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Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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There have been a lot of articles recently attacking higher education. Maybe there's some merit there, but one might also ask 'who is served by denegrating higher education as an option for the people? who benefits by a less educated public?'

I don't think most of the articles are against higher education per say, but against modern universities offering inferior education at higher cost.

Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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"A glance at scholarly journals or university-press catalogs might make one wonder how much of this "research" is advancing knowledge and how much is part of a guild's need to credentialize its members." A glance? Really? Judging the life's work of a few thousand people who got into academia to do research is easily judged in a 'glance'? It's interesting that some would like universities to be little more than vocati…

just a glance is enough at this table of contents of academic journal - classical and quantum gravity- http://iopscience.iop.org/0264-9381/27/17 to wonder how much of this -research- is advancing knowledge and how much is --about advancing the career of the authors--

Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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Oh God yes, I can't agree with this more. My wife worked as an adjunct at Indiana University, killing herself with a 15-hour load for eight thousand bucks while the president of the university, who arguably contributes nothing whatsoever, earned a cool $425,000 and had a free luxury house on campus. This year, she's got a real job (for a year as a visiting professor) for $35K and benefits; it's going to feel like we'…

the president of the university, who arguably contributes nothing whatsoever, earned a cool $425,000 and had a free luxury house on campus.

University presidents may well be overpaid, but it is simply uninformed to claim that they "contribute nothing whatsoever." Besides setting the direction of the entire institution, an effective president will raise far more income for the school via fundraising than the cost of their salary.

Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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post #6

Oh God yes, I can't agree with this more. My wife worked as an adjunct at Indiana University, killing herself with a 15-hour load for eight thousand bucks while the president of the university, who arguably contributes nothing whatsoever, earned a cool $425,000 and had a free luxury house on campus. This year, she's got a real job (for a year as a visiting professor) for $35K and benefits; it's going to feel like we'…

Alvin Kernan quotes the Princeton professor who say his president browsing the university bookstore: Why is that man reading? He should be out raising money!

Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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In my experience, it's the professors who operate on the Richard Feynman model who are the most successful. While there are lots of professors who are of the mind that teaching and researching are antithetical, I had a few who were just PHENOMENAL, passionate lecturers who say teaching and the future of research as going hand in hand. And it's not so much the material they conveyed; it was the passion for the subject. To me, that's where all of the brilliant students go, to the professors who convince them, through their passion and excitement for the next generation, to take up a particular field of study. In that regard, I think the system can on some level work itself out. Programs with little regard for the next generation simply burn out and attract fewer acolytes. When I look back on my education, as well as what I got out of college, it's totally the handful of passionate professors who shaped me and influenced my future.

Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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"A glance at scholarly journals or university-press catalogs might make one wonder how much of this "research" is advancing knowledge and how much is part of a guild's need to credentialize its members." A glance? Really? Judging the life's work of a few thousand people who got into academia to do research is easily judged in a 'glance'? It's interesting that some would like universities to be little more than vocati…

It's a fair point, but he's probably focusing on the arts and soft sciences because those degrees are the most overpriced for the value they deliver.

To put it another way, an MIT grad with an engineering degree is going to be much better off career-wise than a Harvard grad who majored in gender studies.

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post #10

"A glance at scholarly journals or university-press catalogs might make one wonder how much of this "research" is advancing knowledge and how much is part of a guild's need to credentialize its members." A glance? Really? Judging the life's work of a few thousand people who got into academia to do research is easily judged in a 'glance'? It's interesting that some would like universities to be little more than vocati…

I noticed that too, and I wondered if they were even capable of making that judgement. I looked up their backgrounds: the review writer is an English professor at Emory; one of the book authors is a Professor Emeritus in the Political Science Department at Queens College in NY. This continues the tendency I've seen elsewhere, which is to lump science and engineering education and research in with humanities when crit…

Yes, but only humanities types do that, quite deliberately in the hope that the hard subjects will reciprocate when defending them.

Re: Colleges Serve the People Who Work There, Not the Students

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"A glance at scholarly journals or university-press catalogs might make one wonder how much of this "research" is advancing knowledge and how much is part of a guild's need to credentialize its members." A glance? Really? Judging the life's work of a few thousand people who got into academia to do research is easily judged in a 'glance'? It's interesting that some would like universities to be little more than vocati…

It's the WSJ editorial page. Punching hippies is one of their 3 reasons for existence.
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