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Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by jacek »

farresito wrote: post #7
jacek wrote: post #4

I highly recommend Fedora 27. I have been using beta for the last few weeks. I switched from Arch and I am very happy with how well everything works and how stable it is. Fedora team has a release schedule for every release. However, they don't release until they are sure everything works as expected (27 was delayed by a few weeks). That really makes the stable release rock solid. I wish other popular distros would d…

What did you dislike about Arch? I made the opposite move years ago: I went from Fedora to Arch, and it was possibly the best choice I could have made.

I absolutely loved AUR repository and I wish Fedora had something similar. However, with rolling release, something has always been broken: Gnome, GDM, Wayland session, suspend/wakeup, bluetooth. Update would often fix one thing and break another.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by dgllghr »

jacek wrote: post #4

I highly recommend Fedora 27. I have been using beta for the last few weeks. I switched from Arch and I am very happy with how well everything works and how stable it is. Fedora team has a release schedule for every release. However, they don't release until they are sure everything works as expected (27 was delayed by a few weeks). That really makes the stable release rock solid. I wish other popular distros would d…

I used Fedora for over a year until very recently and loved it for the same reason: rock solid. However, I recently made the move to Manjaro, an Arch variant with stable releases. Manjaro's definition of stable is not as stable as Fedora's, but the big draw to Arch for me is the AUR, which I think is even better than the Ubuntu's PPA system. COPR just doesn't have the breadth of software as the other two. If Fedora could expand their community to get more software available through COPR, or if they set up something similar to AUR, I would be back in a heartbeat.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by mhd »

jacek wrote: post #11
farresito wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you dislike about Arch? I made the opposite move years ago: I went from Fedora to Arch, and it was possibly the best choice I could have made.

I absolutely loved AUR repository and I wish Fedora had something similar. However, with rolling release, something has always been broken: Gnome, GDM, Wayland session, suspend/wakeup, bluetooth. Update would often fix one thing and break another.

Nix/Guix as a better AUR replacement is something I want to try in the near future (maybe even pkgsrc if that's still a thing on Linux). Right now, I just compile myself and "stow" stuff (and sometimes use AUR for the build recipes).

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by lima »

jacek wrote: post #6
_lbaq wrote: post #3

Here are the instructions how to upgrade using dnf if you have Fedora 21 or newer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade Looking forward to the new display settings in Gnome 3.26 https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.26/

The big change will come with Gnome 3.28 - real fractional scaling. You can test early version of it on 3.26 [1] (experimental). [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/enable-fractional-scaling...

That's very cool.

For users of older Gnome versions, note that you can change both the font scaling (text-scaling-factor) and global UI scaling factors.

If you, like me, have a screen that needs 1.5 scale, you can either set UI scale to 1 and font scale to 1.5, or UI scale to 2 and font scale to 0.5.

That's almost as good as real fractional UI scaling.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by rhodysurf »

jacek wrote: post #6
_lbaq wrote: post #3

Here are the instructions how to upgrade using dnf if you have Fedora 21 or newer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade Looking forward to the new display settings in Gnome 3.26 https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.26/

The big change will come with Gnome 3.28 - real fractional scaling. You can test early version of it on 3.26 [1] (experimental). [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/enable-fractional-scaling...

Playing with it now and it works awesome for GTK apps. Sublime Text fonts get a little blurry when using a fractional scale though which is a little annoying.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by finchisko »

jacek wrote: post #4

I highly recommend Fedora 27. I have been using beta for the last few weeks. I switched from Arch and I am very happy with how well everything works and how stable it is. Fedora team has a release schedule for every release. However, they don't release until they are sure everything works as expected (27 was delayed by a few weeks). That really makes the stable release rock solid. I wish other popular distros would d…

>I wish other popular distros would do the same.

You don't have to wish. There are distros they're doing same. Won't name them, because names would make look biased.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by finchisko »

farresito wrote: post #7
jacek wrote: post #4

I highly recommend Fedora 27. I have been using beta for the last few weeks. I switched from Arch and I am very happy with how well everything works and how stable it is. Fedora team has a release schedule for every release. However, they don't release until they are sure everything works as expected (27 was delayed by a few weeks). That really makes the stable release rock solid. I wish other popular distros would d…

What did you dislike about Arch? I made the opposite move years ago: I went from Fedora to Arch, and it was possibly the best choice I could have made.

I'm not using Arch, but do like reading Arch wiki quite often. Also you asked what is to dislike on Arch. It's just I don't see any value running bleeding edge. Looking at gnome changes for example. Don't mean, they're not doing great job, but I can safely skip many versions to see any significant difference. Reading Changelog for Gnome 3.26 keeps me convinced it's not something I'll rush for. Same with kernel (with some exceptional releases and CPU support). Rather wait for those small changes to accumulate and then reinstall my fav distro (let's say every 2 years). But I understand that we're all different and have different needs.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by lima »

farresito wrote: post #7
jacek wrote: post #4

I highly recommend Fedora 27. I have been using beta for the last few weeks. I switched from Arch and I am very happy with how well everything works and how stable it is. Fedora team has a release schedule for every release. However, they don't release until they are sure everything works as expected (27 was delayed by a few weeks). That really makes the stable release rock solid. I wish other popular distros would d…

What did you dislike about Arch? I made the opposite move years ago: I went from Fedora to Arch, and it was possibly the best choice I could have made.

I too went from Arch to Fedora and life is easier now. It's astonishing just how well Arch works, but maintaining it is still a lot of work.

I'm pretty busy and spent too much time fixing my Arch machine, which outweighed the time I was saving.

I still have an Arch laptop and many Arch virtual machines for playing CTFs and HAM radio stuff.

Flatpak is a fine replacement for AUR in many cases, and it's more secure, too (if you keep an eye on the permissions set in the manifests - many specify --filesystems=home).

(do not use rpmfusion for VLC and the like - use Flatpak instead!)

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by jacek »

finchisko wrote: post #16
jacek wrote: post #4

I highly recommend Fedora 27. I have been using beta for the last few weeks. I switched from Arch and I am very happy with how well everything works and how stable it is. Fedora team has a release schedule for every release. However, they don't release until they are sure everything works as expected (27 was delayed by a few weeks). That really makes the stable release rock solid. I wish other popular distros would d…

>I wish other popular distros would do the same. You don't have to wish. There are distros they're doing same. Won't name them, because names would make look biased.

Debian is one. Them most popular one (Ubuntu) does not do that.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by dmix »

stinkytaco wrote: post #10
farresito wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you dislike about Arch? I made the opposite move years ago: I went from Fedora to Arch, and it was possibly the best choice I could have made.

Not OP, but I value stability over having the latest version. Fedora is fairly bleeding edge compared to other fixed release distributions, but also tested. Fedora is also easier to install. The older I get, the less hassle I want.

I had a similar view towards Linux at first, preferring Fedora to ArchLinux for stability. But after switching back to Arch and sticking with it I've learned stability is a matter of software choice and experience with Linux, it's not necessarily more or less stable at the OS/package manager level.

Using AUR/user-style packages or non-mainline packages (beta, unstable) is always a risk in whatever distro you use and stable packages in Arch are as stable as elsewhere... depending on the type of software you choose.

The power of ArchLinux makes the learning curve worth it IMO. Plus the minimalism of the base system is a good way to become intimately familiar with Linux.

The other major factor is what laptop you are using. Since switching to a Thinkpad (or Dell XPS) which has good hardware support in Linux I've had zero problems at the graphics/network/external monitor level which is typical source of issues with new distro releases.

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