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Re: The Bitcoin Cash Flippening

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Pretty simple really the community has been clamoring for a block size increase for years now and the devs have been actively fighting it. They managed to create enough division in the community to scuttle the last compromise (Segwit2x) and now people are rotating en-mass to Bitcoin Cash which has the larger blocks they want and doesn't have the divisive developers. Very little surprising about this at all except for…

>>now people are rotating en-mass to Bitcoin Cash which has the larger blocks they want and doesn't have the divisive developers.

This isn't entirely objective. BCH has 25% of its market cap trading today in volume. There's something weird going on. As for the developers, BCH has very little Github activity while Core is being actively worked on and improved.

I don't have a horse in this fight as I am into other cryptocurrencies but your statement is not very fair.

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57 days ago, I said that it would be a good time to buy Bitcoin. If you'd listened to me, you could have made some serious cash since then. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15259134 Back then, the price dropped to around $3k. One of the questions was "What makes now a good time to buy?" And the answer was simply "Bitcoin has been crashing." The counterintuitive thing is, if you want to get into bitcoin, you need…

Right now is as stupid time to consider getting rich off Bitcoin. Even if the price doubles or triples, you'll only make 100 or 200%. That might seem like a really good investment. Maybe if you put down $100,000. Otherwise, it doesn't mean much. The risk is too high. Back when it was $10 or $40, it was a great speculation. The ship has long since sailed.

>>Back when it was $10 or $40, it was a great speculation. The ship has long since sailed.

Has it? Many learned people believe BTC's ceiling is in the five digits. And back when it was $10-40, no one would believe you that it would go to $6000-8000.

The only thing we know about BTC and cryptocurrency in general is that we're looking at serious variance, regardless.

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Here's the super-summarized story for those who are out of the loop: the Bitcoin community has been fighting for years over what they call the "block size increase." From its original design, Bitcoin has capped each block to 1MB, which effectively caps the transactions per second to 4 or so. Raising this limit would allow more transactions per second onto the network, but with the downside of making nodes in the Bitcoin network more costly to operate. The majority of current Bitcoin developers do not want to raise this cap. However, a large group of users and several of the earliest developers (including Gavin Andresen, the guy hand-picked by Satoshi Nakamoto) do want to raise it. There is evidence that Satoshi himself thought that the cap should someday be raised.

There was recently a compromise struck among the largest bitcoin exchanges and mining pools. It was called the Silbert Agreement, or New York Agreement, or Segwit2x. The agreement was to deploy a feature upgrade that the current developers had been pushing (called Segwit) alongside a block size increase from 1MB to 2MB. It broke a stalemate in which the big blockers had been preventing Segwit from going live, and the Segwit supporters had been refusing to increase the block size.

The deal was that Segwit would go live immediately, and several months later, the block size increase would go live. Segwit did go live as agreed, but then its proponents refused to honor the rest of the agreement (since they already got what they wanted).

That was a few days ago, and now we're seeing the backlash: lots of users and capital fleeing to "Bitcoin Cash," a separate branch that recently forked off from the traditional Bitcoin. Proponents (including Gavin Andresen) consider this new branch to be the true Bitcoin, because it's willing to scale with user demand as Satoshi Nakamoto intended. Opponents consider it to be an altcoin that's fraudulently calling itself Bitcoin, since its block size increase is a departure from the original spec.

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57 days ago, I said that it would be a good time to buy Bitcoin. If you'd listened to me, you could have made some serious cash since then. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15259134 Back then, the price dropped to around $3k. One of the questions was "What makes now a good time to buy?" And the answer was simply "Bitcoin has been crashing." The counterintuitive thing is, if you want to get into bitcoin, you need…

Right now is as stupid time to consider getting rich off Bitcoin. Even if the price doubles or triples, you'll only make 100 or 200%. That might seem like a really good investment. Maybe if you put down $100,000. Otherwise, it doesn't mean much. The risk is too high. Back when it was $10 or $40, it was a great speculation. The ship has long since sailed.

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I don't think that is good advice this time. The combined market cap of Bitcoin Core + Bitcoin Cash is actually right at 7600 virtually unmoved. What is happening though is that the Core development team has used underhanded tactics to go against the wishes of the larger community for almost 4 years now and the Segwit2X cancellation was the final straw Everyone that believes large blocks are necessary are fleeing to…

We'll see. This is tea leaf reading. My record speaks for itself. I said two months ago to buy in at $3k. I'm going on record now: $5,800 is a pretty good buy-in price. Check back in two months. It's simply hard to assign logical motives to overall movements in the market. As scientific minded individuals, we would love to believe there must be a motive. But sometimes there isn't one. I think what's been happening is…

There's a bear for every bull. You might as well go to Vegas and put it on black. At least then you can lose your money quickly instead of dragging it out over an extended period.

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Here's the super-summarized story for those who are out of the loop: the Bitcoin community has been fighting for years over what they call the "block size increase." From its original design, Bitcoin has capped each block to 1MB, which effectively caps the transactions per second to 4 or so. Raising this limit would allow more transactions per second onto the network, but with the downside of making nodes in the Bitc…

Thanks for the overview. Very helpful to someone w/ no previous knowledge.

Why did the majority of developers not want to raise the block size? / How exactly does it make nodes much more expensive to operate?

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Here's the super-summarized story for those who are out of the loop: the Bitcoin community has been fighting for years over what they call the "block size increase." From its original design, Bitcoin has capped each block to 1MB, which effectively caps the transactions per second to 4 or so. Raising this limit would allow more transactions per second onto the network, but with the downside of making nodes in the Bitc…

Thanks for the overview. Very helpful to someone w/ no previous knowledge. Why did the majority of developers not want to raise the block size? / How exactly does it make nodes much more expensive to operate?

There exact reasons are a point of contention. But a lot of people believe that they thought it was in their interest to keep the block size small because they hold a business interest in companies who's business plan is to make money by selling so called "second layer" solutions.

The direction of development is really controlled by a handful of people and they also have control of 3 of the historically important Bitcoin discussion forums so they were able to control the narrative for years and push out anyone who brought up contrarian opinions on the block size.

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Here's the super-summarized story for those who are out of the loop: the Bitcoin community has been fighting for years over what they call the "block size increase." From its original design, Bitcoin has capped each block to 1MB, which effectively caps the transactions per second to 4 or so. Raising this limit would allow more transactions per second onto the network, but with the downside of making nodes in the Bitc…

Thanks for the overview. Very helpful to someone w/ no previous knowledge. Why did the majority of developers not want to raise the block size? / How exactly does it make nodes much more expensive to operate?

Each node in Bitcoin's P2P network has to store a copy of every transaction since the beginning of time. This currently takes 140GB of disk space and is growing by 5GB per month. If more transactions are allowed to go through, it'll grow even faster. If it grows to extremely large numbers, only those who can afford the huge disk arrays will be able to run a node.

The fear is that eventually, only major companies and universities will be running Bitcoin nodes. This could make it easier for governments to threaten all involved parties into changing or dismantling the system.

However, those who want to raise the block size say that government agents threatening Bitcoin node operators is not a realistic fear. Whereas, if transactions can't go through because the network refuses to scale, then businesses will abort their plans to accept Bitcoin. To big blockers, such a scaling failure is much more likely to kill Bitcoin than government agents in dark suits.

Re: The Bitcoin Cash Flippening

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I don't think that is good advice this time. The combined market cap of Bitcoin Core + Bitcoin Cash is actually right at 7600 virtually unmoved. What is happening though is that the Core development team has used underhanded tactics to go against the wishes of the larger community for almost 4 years now and the Segwit2X cancellation was the final straw Everyone that believes large blocks are necessary are fleeing to…

We'll see. This is tea leaf reading. My record speaks for itself. I said two months ago to buy in at $3k. I'm going on record now: $5,800 is a pretty good buy-in price. Check back in two months. It's simply hard to assign logical motives to overall movements in the market. As scientific minded individuals, we would love to believe there must be a motive. But sometimes there isn't one. I think what's been happening is…

What would make me nervous about this drop is that part drops were mostly a drop for all crypto coins. This one seems to be a move from BTC to BCH.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the overview. Very helpful to someone w/ no previous knowledge. Why did the majority of developers not want to raise the block size? / How exactly does it make nodes much more expensive to operate?

Each node in Bitcoin's P2P network has to store a copy of every transaction since the beginning of time. This currently takes 140GB of disk space and is growing by 5GB per month. If more transactions are allowed to go through, it'll grow even faster. If it grows to extremely large numbers, only those who can afford the huge disk arrays will be able to run a node. The fear is that eventually, only major companies and…

Trying to work around the problem of all part transactions having to be present on a node by limiting the number of transactions that can happen honestly sounds like a silly joke. The entire point of any currency is easy, cheap and fast transactions.
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