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Standalone Signal Desktop

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Re: Standalone Signal Desktop

#12
Was happy to see this as it was the only reason I had Chromium on my machine - launched it and right off the bat it uses 350MB of memory!

Inspecting the app, it appears to be just another Javascript app (Electron).

Re: Standalone Signal Desktop

#15
post #8

Can we please stop calling Webapps that come with the whole browser desktop apps? The fact that you give me to install a dedicated browser for your web app does not magically make it desktop app. It makes it a worse web app, which does not even share the browser runtime with other web apps. Desktop apps are supposed to be: native code, well integrated in the OS, still working when the net is down and using system wid…

> Desktop apps are supposed to be: native code

That excludes every single .NET application.

> well integrated in the OS

Don't even know what you mean by this.

> still working when the net is down

Not necessarily, a "native" app for Signal still wouldn't work if the net was down.

> and using system widgets and OS look&feel

I guess that excludes pretty much anything built with Qt.

Re: Standalone Signal Desktop

#16
post #15
post #8

Can we please stop calling Webapps that come with the whole browser desktop apps? The fact that you give me to install a dedicated browser for your web app does not magically make it desktop app. It makes it a worse web app, which does not even share the browser runtime with other web apps. Desktop apps are supposed to be: native code, well integrated in the OS, still working when the net is down and using system wid…

> Desktop apps are supposed to be: native code That excludes every single .NET application. > well integrated in the OS Don't even know what you mean by this. > still working when the net is down Not necessarily, a "native" app for Signal still wouldn't work if the net was down. > and using system widgets and OS look&feel I guess that excludes pretty much anything built with Qt.

.NET is included with Windows and can't be removed.

Re: Standalone Signal Desktop

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post #8

Can we please stop calling Webapps that come with the whole browser desktop apps? The fact that you give me to install a dedicated browser for your web app does not magically make it desktop app. It makes it a worse web app, which does not even share the browser runtime with other web apps. Desktop apps are supposed to be: native code, well integrated in the OS, still working when the net is down and using system wid…

That might be your definition of it, but it's in general wishful thinking.

For me desktop apps are apps that run on my desktop computer, requiring an installation process instead of being loaded via an URL and not subject to the browser's sandbox.

I've had access or owned desktop computers in various shapes and sizes ever since 1993 and let me tell you, since then until now the notion that desktop apps have a unified look and feel is a really recent phenomenon, that happened due to Apple, OS X and the iPhone.

Yes, even Windows 3.1 had standard widgets but historically standard widgets haven't been expressive enough and many developers did not care anyway, especially since most apps were reincarnations of former DOS apps or ports from other platforms. And then the birth of Java made it much worse.

E.g. the most popular MP3 player ever on Windows has been Winamp. Besides the file opening dialog, there was nothing standard about it. Most popular chat apps several years back? ICQ and Yahoo's Messenger. Have you been acquainted with their UIs? In terms of nativeness, let me tell you, the web-enabled Facebook Messenger and Hangouts are improvements, because at least they don't mess up the text rendering.

Re: Standalone Signal Desktop

#19
Signal Desktop is not really standalone, because you still need to pair it with your phone. And the phone should be turned on.

I am very privacy conscious, and I don't use a smartphone, at all, because it's basically a spying device in your pocket.

Why Signal is all about privacy and then it forces me to pair it with a telephone?

Telegram desktop is really standalone. They require a telephone number too (and that's very annoying), but they don't require having a smartphone or keeping your phone open. My phone number on telegram is not even my phone number anymore, and it doesn't make any difference... Privacy wise is far from being perfect, but it's already better. At least it's usable.

Re: Standalone Signal Desktop

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post #19

Signal Desktop is not really standalone, because you still need to pair it with your phone. And the phone should be turned on. I am very privacy conscious, and I don't use a smartphone, at all, because it's basically a spying device in your pocket. Why Signal is all about privacy and then it forces me to pair it with a telephone? Telegram desktop is really standalone. They require a telephone number too (and that's v…

Can you expand more on your personal decision to be so privacy conscious?
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