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How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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I was surprised by how prevelant these boxes are. It seems that every second family with kids has these and are streaming media to it. These families had no idea what torrents are, but were using pirated content basically every day and streaming it a la netflix. It is the future of piracy for sure. I suspect it is many many times larger in scope that torrents are currently. (BTW I do not have one of these.)

I know several people with access to Kodi that don't regard it as theft/piracy. They become pretty defensive when you accuse them of it. How do you think IP owners can adapt when piracy is made so transparent that it doesn't even feel like piracy anymore?

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Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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"In the UK, Kodi boxes have garnered more attention from authorities, thanks to stingy soccer fanatics driving an early swell of adoption" This is very unfair. I don't own a Kodi box, but in the UK it's against the law to show football games on TV on Saturday between 2:45pm and 5:15pm [1]. So it's not "stingy" football fans, it's fans that have no other way to watch a 3pm kick off without actually going to the game i…

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Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know several people with access to Kodi that don't regard it as theft/piracy. They become pretty defensive when you accuse them of it. How do you think IP owners can adapt when piracy is made so transparent that it doesn't even feel like piracy anymore?

> with access to Kodi that don't regard it as theft/piracy > They become pretty defensive when you accuse them of it. I would too! Kodi itself isn't theft/piracy. Kodi is a FOSS media manager that is extremely extensible. Several extensions enabling piracy have been created by third-party developers. This may seem pedantic, but it is extremely important to differentiate between a FOSS media manager and piracy-oriente…

It's not pedantic at all! As is repeatedly said, it's like calling Google Chrome a piracy application because you can go to The Pirate Bay with it.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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I was surprised by how prevelant these boxes are. It seems that every second family with kids has these and are streaming media to it. These families had no idea what torrents are, but were using pirated content basically every day and streaming it a la netflix. It is the future of piracy for sure. I suspect it is many many times larger in scope that torrents are currently. (BTW I do not have one of these.)

I know several people with access to Kodi that don't regard it as theft/piracy. They become pretty defensive when you accuse them of it. How do you think IP owners can adapt when piracy is made so transparent that it doesn't even feel like piracy anymore?

It's not theft, or piracy, it's copyright infringement.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Just think for a second about the hyperbole involved in even calling it piracy. Piracy implies not only theft, which isn't applicable since there is no deprivation, but the pillage of a vessel on the high seas, and the kidnapping (and possibly enslavement, slaughter, rape, or drowning) of its crew.

I think that this (and a whole system of) hyperbole has made it impossible to even talk about it. The MPAA and other similar organizations clutch to legalism, in my opinion, at the cost of revenues to rights holders.

On-demand (Netflix, Hulu, HBO's online thingy, iPlayer, what have you) has been the most effective way to actually recover rights-holder revenues. If rights holders would standardize licensing, and allow a wide variety of distributors to make consuming their content more convenient and a better experience than torrenting, then their revenues would recover; and since there are more people willing and able to pay for a service like this today than when the recording industries came to be, revenue per head can be lower while still funding better content than ever.

Added: Another working model is paid DRM-free downloads. I only buy music in open and lossless formats, which in practice means Bandcamp, a few independent online publishers (like Hospital Records), and CDs. I pay for it because I don't want to feel used while listening to music, and I don't want to rely on ongoing permission to listen to something I've paid for explicitly. This is a different stage of the on-demand/streaming userbase, when they want to have a copy of a record which lasts longer than Spotify Inc.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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I am adamantly opposed to the MPAA in every way. The movie and television industries act more like a colluding monopoly than a business. The prices and costs have risen much too high out of greed, and by some strange quirk, they're using the legal and regulatory systems to gouge the public. This goes far beyond just pirating television shows. It's Comcast, net neutrality, set top boxes, and massive media conglomerates all rolled into one.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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"In the UK, Kodi boxes have garnered more attention from authorities, thanks to stingy soccer fanatics driving an early swell of adoption" This is very unfair. I don't own a Kodi box, but in the UK it's against the law to show football games on TV on Saturday between 2:45pm and 5:15pm [1]. So it's not "stingy" football fans, it's fans that have no other way to watch a 3pm kick off without actually going to the game i…

We both know full well that mass football fan adoption of the service isn't just to watch the odd game at that specific time on one day of the week. You're right that it isn't strictly "stingy", but wanting something you've been denied isn't a good reason to take it.

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Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Just think for a second about the hyperbole involved in even calling it piracy. Piracy implies not only theft, which isn't applicable since there is no deprivation, but the pillage of a vessel on the high seas, and the kidnapping (and possibly enslavement, slaughter, rape, or drowning) of its crew. I think that this (and a whole system of) hyperbole has made it impossible to even talk about it. The MPAA and other sim…

Yeah, turns out language changes. The TRIPS agreement defines piracy in terms that have nothing to do with shivering timbers.

As for "standardized rights", that kind of shit is what leads to taxes on media like blank CDs or, before them, cassette tape, and -- worst of all -- organizations like ASCAP getting royalty payments by default, whether they're entitled to them or not.

Any effort to "standardize" rights management generally turns into a club with which entrenched interests beat down innovation or dissent.

Just let them burn out with their shit business models; we don't need them anyway.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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"In the UK, Kodi boxes have garnered more attention from authorities, thanks to stingy soccer fanatics driving an early swell of adoption" This is very unfair. I don't own a Kodi box, but in the UK it's against the law to show football games on TV on Saturday between 2:45pm and 5:15pm [1]. So it's not "stingy" football fans, it's fans that have no other way to watch a 3pm kick off without actually going to the game i…

Seems like that's an agreement, not a law

"The Premier League and Sky maintain that, while grey market viewing of games is not illegal on the part of the viewer, it is illegal for anyone (such as a public house) to make such services openly available. This has in the past lead to heavy fines for public houses in the United Kingdom which have shown 3pm games in their establishments."
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