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Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by mintplant » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:16 PM UTC

LoSboccacc wrote: post #8

Retric wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen that same thing from several websites. I have seen some websites suggest it's a Safari issue (browser hijackers) and clearing Safari data gets rid of it. But, I have not really messed with it yet.

the mobile browser landscape has become a minefield of invisible popover, redirect and premium service subscription, only partially mitigated by adblockers (or none at all if using chrome on ios, because, reasons)

I browse with Firefox for Android and a combination of the uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes, and Cookies AutoDelete add-ons. Without them I'd feel almost naked.

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:20 PM UTC

neom wrote: post #10

Here is the techdirt article: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171023/18275838465/doj-s... That also includes this gem: "* As an aside, look closely at that criminal complaint against Shafer. I have no idea why but it appears that the FBI/DOJ is so clueless that rather than submitting the final complaint, they actually submitted the copy showing the "comments" on the Word doc they were using to prepare the complai…

> which shows two comments that both suggest the FBI is well aware that this complaint is weak sauce and probably doesn't meet the standard under the law...

Wonder if that'll get brought up in court. Can any lawyers weigh in?

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:21 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #9

With all due respect, the justice department probably got the subpoena to cover all their bases. Regardless of why, I don't think there is any right of privacy through Twitter. It's a private company. If they want to hand over Ken White's identity, without a subpoena, they can.

> With all due respect, the justice department probably got the subpoena to cover all their bases.

Of course - it's cheap to fire them off, and there's virtually no downside to doing so as far as I'm aware. (Short of the fact that the time can be put to better use.)

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by rayiner » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:31 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #12

neom wrote: post #10

Here is the techdirt article: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171023/18275838465/doj-s... That also includes this gem: "* As an aside, look closely at that criminal complaint against Shafer. I have no idea why but it appears that the FBI/DOJ is so clueless that rather than submitting the final complaint, they actually submitted the copy showing the "comments" on the Word doc they were using to prepare the complai…

> which shows two comments that both suggest the FBI is well aware that this complaint is weak sauce and probably doesn't meet the standard under the law... Wonder if that'll get brought up in court. Can any lawyers weigh in?

I don't think the comments suggest that the FBI thinks the complaint "probably doesn't meet the standard under the law." They indicate that some specific posts are maybe a stretch under the law (e.g. something like it "comes close to the line"). It's embarrassing as hell, but that's about it.

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by monochromatic » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:45 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #9

With all due respect, the justice department probably got the subpoena to cover all their bases. Regardless of why, I don't think there is any right of privacy through Twitter. It's a private company. If they want to hand over Ken White's identity, without a subpoena, they can.

Sure, they can if they want to. But a judge shouldn’t be able to force them to do so, not without more than receiving a smiley face tweet.

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by howard941 » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:48 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #7

The takeaway is great (and by "great" I mean "depressing but true"): > Third, when I read the subpoena yesterday, I was suddenly gripped with exactly the sort of impulses that I urge clients to resist: the overpowering urge to do something and talk to someone to straighten it all out. I was tempted to email the AUSA and introduce myself, and to argue that it's ridiculous that he subpoenaed my identity, and ask what t…

As was this comment:

> Mike says Wouldn't you also urge your clients to resist the impulse to blog about these things?

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by rayiner » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:51 PM UTC

howard941 wrote: post #16

rayiner wrote: post #7

The takeaway is great (and by "great" I mean "depressing but true"): > Third, when I read the subpoena yesterday, I was suddenly gripped with exactly the sort of impulses that I urge clients to resist: the overpowering urge to do something and talk to someone to straighten it all out. I was tempted to email the AUSA and introduce myself, and to argue that it's ridiculous that he subpoenaed my identity, and ask what t…

As was this comment: > Mike says Wouldn't you also urge your clients to resist the impulse to blog about these things?

Blogging is less of a problem, because a statement not directed at the government can't be the basis of an 18 U.S.C. 1001 charge.

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by frandroid » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

mintplant wrote: post #11

LoSboccacc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mobile browser landscape has become a minefield of invisible popover, redirect and premium service subscription, only partially mitigated by adblockers (or none at all if using chrome on ios, because, reasons)

I browse with Firefox for Android and a combination of the uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes, and Cookies AutoDelete add-ons. Without them I'd feel almost naked.

You'll always get to fall back on a tinfoil hat...

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by gjjrfcbugxbhf » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 3:11 PM UTC

mintplant wrote: post #11

LoSboccacc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mobile browser landscape has become a minefield of invisible popover, redirect and premium service subscription, only partially mitigated by adblockers (or none at all if using chrome on ios, because, reasons)

I browse with Firefox for Android and a combination of the uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes, and Cookies AutoDelete add-ons. Without them I'd feel almost naked.

And yet your IP address is captured by every site you visit.

Re: In Which My Identity Is Sought by Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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Post by chatmasta » Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 3:13 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #5

twoodfin wrote: post #2

I’m sure this is great content, but the page is currently redirecting my iPhone to some scam virus warnings.

I have seen that same thing from several websites. I have seen some websites suggest it's a Safari issue (browser hijackers) and clearing Safari data gets rid of it. But, I have not really messed with it yet.

Anecdotally, I’ve seen a definite uptick in pop-unders on chrome desktop the last few weeks, even with uBlock enabled.